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Facts
The flu vaccine causes more deaths per year than chicken pox.
The direct injection of RSV immunoglobulin, commonly known as the "RSV vaccine" would prevent 16x more deaths than the flu vaccine does, but is too expensive.
There is a vaccine for the plague, and that is why it is no longer an epidemic.
Ebola is caused by vaccines.
There is a vaccine for autism, but it causes mumps.


Opinions
Vaccines do not contain thimerosal, a known toxin.
If you snuck up on your neighbor's kid and cut open his skull, you would be arrested.  But when brain surgeons do it, and charge hundreds of thousands of dollars, it considered "medicine."
99% of vaccines do not cause autism (HT JJ1000).
Every pedi has seen healthy kids become sick physically & mentally hours after a vax (HT Baryochai)
Vaccines cause cancer, infertility, astma, adhd etc (HT Baryochai)

Poll

Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?

Yes (Shot)
115 (37.8%)
Yes (Nasal Spray)
5 (1.6%)
No
184 (60.5%)

Total Members Voted: 303

Author Topic: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread  (Read 240048 times)

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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #255 on: January 28, 2013, 06:34:30 PM »
i got the flu shot and if i dont have the flu then uts flu like symptoms :(

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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #256 on: January 28, 2013, 06:39:09 PM »
Some hospitals require employees to get shots and even provide it for them. A hospital is there to TRY and make money, so I do not see the point in spending money on vaccines if they do not truly find them effective. I think the cost provides them with the benefit that they know it will keep their patients from acquiring it from the staff (which they will have to pay out of pocket because it is hospital acquired).
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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #257 on: January 28, 2013, 07:05:13 PM »
+1. Same applies to insurance companies.
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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #258 on: January 29, 2013, 02:52:47 AM »
Some hospitals require employees to get shots and even provide it for them. A hospital is there to TRY and make money, so I do not see the point in spending money on vaccines if they do not truly find them effective. I think the cost provides them with the benefit that they know it will keep their patients from acquiring it from the staff (which they will have to pay out of pocket because it is hospital acquired).
actually hospitals get funding for giving them(and the staff are usually required to get them on their own accord),
no one said that they don't work, only that they have adverse retractions, and even that the risks out-way the benefits,
and most of all they don't have an opinion, rather they go by the book!
..........DO YOUR RESEARCH................  :P

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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #259 on: January 29, 2013, 09:46:17 PM »
actually hospitals get funding for giving them(and the staff are usually required to get them on their own accord),
no one said that they don't work, only that they have adverse retractions, and even that the risks out-way the benefits,
and most of all they don't have an opinion, rather they go by the book!
..........DO YOUR RESEARCH................  :P

How is it possible to do research when people like you discredit all reputable sources as not being truthful and champion every conspiracy nut/ activist out there?

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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #260 on: January 29, 2013, 09:48:15 PM »
Some hospitals require employees to get shots and even provide it for them. A hospital is there to TRY and make money, so I do not see the point in spending money on vaccines if they do not truly find them effective. I think the cost provides them with the benefit that they know it will keep their patients from acquiring it from the staff (which they will have to pay out of pocket because it is hospital acquired).
Reminds me of this xkcd:
Curiosity made the cat smarter.

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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #261 on: January 29, 2013, 10:08:12 PM »
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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #262 on: January 30, 2013, 01:33:48 AM »
actually hospitals get funding for giving them(and the staff are usually required to get them on their own accord),
no one said that they don't work, only that they have adverse retractions, and even that the risks out-way the benefits,
and most of all they don't have an opinion, rather they go by the book!
..........DO YOUR RESEARCH................  :P
How is it possible to do research when people like you discredit all reputable sources as not being truthful and champion every conspiracy nut/ activist out there?


No-one said that the research would be easy. On the one side we have conspiracy nut activist quacks, and on the other side we have media, hype, $, and ppl that fire others, yes, experienced nurses have been fired!  If the research was so easy, this thread wouldn't be 18 pages long, so far. The first side that I mentioned, as far as I can tell, doesn't just bash sight unseen, rather they usually quote medical studies and explain all angles. Ironically, I found that the mainstream media and the MD's see to discredit the others and just put them down and bash them. (I may have the wrong sources, but please point me in the right direction if you feel this is the case.)

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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #263 on: January 30, 2013, 01:37:21 AM »
If the research was so easy, this thread wouldn't be 18 pages long, so far.
That is the dumbest thing you've said yet.
There are also hundreds of pages from conspiracy theorists on 09/11, Newtown, the lunar landing, etc, etc.  That doesn't mean the quacks won't argue otherwise until they're blue in the face.

I trust my accountant to give me tax advice, I trust my gardener to give me landscaping advice, and I trust my Doctor to give me medical advice.  I don't pretend to know better by bringing "proofs" from a tiny handful of big money making quacks online over tens of thousands of highly educated doctors.  You can find proofs for anything online, it doesn't mean they right or safe.
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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #264 on: January 30, 2013, 07:16:38 AM »
How is it possible to do research when people like you discredit all reputable sources as not being truthful and champion every conspiracy nut/ activist out there?
when did i do that ??? ??? and even you can have your own opinion ;)

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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #265 on: January 30, 2013, 07:55:36 AM »
That is the dumbest thing you've said yet.
There are also hundreds of pages from conspiracy theorists on 09/11, Newtown, the lunar landing, etc, etc.  That doesn't mean the quacks won't argue otherwise until they're blue in the face.

I trust my accountant to give me tax advice, I trust my gardener to give me landscaping advice, and I trust my Doctor to give me medical advice.  I don't pretend to know better by bringing "proofs" from a tiny handful of big money making quacks online over tens of thousands of highly educated doctors.  You can find proofs for anything online, it doesn't mean they right or safe.
you never did other research or asked a 2nd opinion?? you must love your garden  :) ,
i am sure if you did look into it you will find  things  that aren't being done to your benefit and can be improved ,
and even if your fine with it, some people have higher standards when it comes to medical advice than landscaping advice,
and do you know that they are making "big money"?and on what?
and bthw what do you think the "quacks" are Quacking about anyway, do you know there main message is? (hint: not that vaccines don't work)
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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #266 on: January 30, 2013, 08:18:09 AM »
you never did other research or asked a 2nd opinion?? you must love your garden  :) ,
i am sure if you did look into it you will find  things  that aren't being done to your benefit and can be improved ,
and even if your fine with it, some people have higher standards when it comes to medical advice than landscaping advice,
I'm all for second opinions, as long as you get them from another gardener, not from a shoemaker...
Curiosity made the cat smarter.

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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #267 on: January 30, 2013, 08:26:41 AM »
I'm all for second opinions, as long as you get them from another gardener, not from a shoemaker...
read the next line  and also the hole thing ;)

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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #268 on: January 30, 2013, 08:42:44 AM »
read the next line  and also the hole thing ;)
Both have been discussed ad nauseam...
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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #269 on: January 30, 2013, 08:45:04 AM »
Both have been discussed ad nauseam...
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