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Facts
The flu vaccine causes more deaths per year than chicken pox.
The direct injection of RSV immunoglobulin, commonly known as the "RSV vaccine" would prevent 16x more deaths than the flu vaccine does, but is too expensive.
There is a vaccine for the plague, and that is why it is no longer an epidemic.
Ebola is caused by vaccines.
There is a vaccine for autism, but it causes mumps.


Opinions
Vaccines do not contain thimerosal, a known toxin.
If you snuck up on your neighbor's kid and cut open his skull, you would be arrested.  But when brain surgeons do it, and charge hundreds of thousands of dollars, it considered "medicine."
99% of vaccines do not cause autism (HT JJ1000).
Every pedi has seen healthy kids become sick physically & mentally hours after a vax (HT Baryochai)
Vaccines cause cancer, infertility, astma, adhd etc (HT Baryochai)

Poll

Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?

Yes (Shot)
115 (37.5%)
Yes (Nasal Spray)
5 (1.6%)
No
187 (60.9%)

Total Members Voted: 305

Author Topic: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread  (Read 298691 times)

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #500 on: January 16, 2014, 12:39:10 PM »

The CDC and other govt agencies job is very clear, minimize public health risks.

That isn't very clear at all. I'm not even sure I know what it means.

And I think most people read CDC advice and assume it is advice that is best for them personally.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #501 on: January 16, 2014, 12:41:59 PM »
That isn't very clear at all. I'm not even sure I know what it means.

And I think most people read CDC advice and assume it is advice that is best for them personally.

I wouldn't assume most people read CDC advice at all!  ;)
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #502 on: January 16, 2014, 12:45:30 PM »
That isn't very clear at all. I'm not even sure I know what it means.

And I think most people read CDC advice and assume it is advice that is best for them personally.

You know exactly what that means as you've aptly indicated in your earlier comments. It is a utilitarian view on the health of all people living in America. This is typically how government works in general. Is it best for you that the speed limit is 35? It would be anarchy if there were no regulations or guidelines but it would be best for me if I could drive any speed I want. As with most things in life we have to give (in the form or responsibilities) if we want to take (in the form of rights). The difference is that with healthcare there is a lot more concern for the negative consequences (and rightfully so), shortsighted as they might be.


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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #503 on: January 16, 2014, 12:50:53 PM »
You know exactly what that means as you've aptly indicated in your earlier comments. It is a utilitarian view on the health of all people living in America. This is typically how government works in general. Is it best for you that the speed limit is 35? It would be anarchy if there were no regulations or guidelines but it would be best for me if I could drive any speed I want. As with most things in life we have to give (in the form or responsibilities) if we want to take (in the form of rights). The difference is that with healthcare there is a lot more concern for the negative consequences (and rightfully so), shortsighted as they might be.

Agreed. And I'm not advocating anyone break the law. And there's no law which says I need to get a flu vaccine.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #504 on: January 16, 2014, 01:10:20 PM »
Agreed. And I'm not advocating anyone break the law. And there's no law which says I need to get a flu vaccine.

All true, unfortunately common sense often cannot be mandated (and I'm not referring to the flu vaccine specifically).

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #505 on: January 16, 2014, 01:13:49 PM »
All true, unfortunately common sense often cannot be mandated (and I'm not referring to the flu vaccine specifically).

But see above, that you agreed it isn't necessarily common sense at the personal level?

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #506 on: January 16, 2014, 01:15:48 PM »
But see above, that you agreed it isn't necessarily common sense at the personal level?
All true, unfortunately common sense often cannot be mandated (and I'm not referring to the flu vaccine specifically).
See bolded quote.
I was speaking in generalities.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #507 on: January 16, 2014, 01:36:44 PM »
Ahh, gotcha.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #508 on: January 17, 2014, 02:38:49 AM »
@ YankyDoodle, will respond, eventually, no time before Shabbos, sorry about the delay...

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #509 on: January 17, 2014, 01:46:15 PM »


Let's all skip the flu shot and dress more modestly, that ought to do it!

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #510 on: January 17, 2014, 01:47:59 PM »


Let's all skip the flu shot and dress more modestly, that ought to do it!


I thought that caused earthquakes? ???

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #511 on: January 17, 2014, 02:35:42 PM »
I thought that caused earthquakes? ???
Hurricanes too.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #512 on: January 18, 2014, 07:06:37 PM »
SMH

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #513 on: January 18, 2014, 08:34:33 PM »

Let's all skip the flu shot and dress more modestly, that ought to do it!

You mother never taught you to bundle up so that you don't get sick?   ;)

On a related note,  see the attached graph.
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #514 on: January 18, 2014, 09:03:13 PM »
You mother never taught you to bundle up so that you don't get sick?   ;)

On a related note,  see the attached graph.
:(

I was really hoping that graph was a correlation between girls who wear short skirts and girls who got the flu this winter.

Time to take this thread OT :P

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #515 on: January 18, 2014, 09:13:15 PM »
You know what they say "Long skirt, long life. Short skirt..."
...more fun?
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #516 on: January 18, 2014, 10:31:12 PM »
"A good speech should be like a woman's skirt: long enough to cover the subject and short enough to create interest"
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #519 on: January 22, 2014, 07:04:40 PM »
Notably, it doesn't have another graph showing autism outbreaks.

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