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Facts
The flu vaccine causes more deaths per year than chicken pox.
The direct injection of RSV immunoglobulin, commonly known as the "RSV vaccine" would prevent 16x more deaths than the flu vaccine does, but is too expensive.
There is a vaccine for the plague, and that is why it is no longer an epidemic.
Ebola is caused by vaccines.
There is a vaccine for autism, but it causes mumps.


Opinions
Vaccines do not contain thimerosal, a known toxin.
If you snuck up on your neighbor's kid and cut open his skull, you would be arrested.  But when brain surgeons do it, and charge hundreds of thousands of dollars, it considered "medicine."
99% of vaccines do not cause autism (HT JJ1000).
Every pedi has seen healthy kids become sick physically & mentally hours after a vax (HT Baryochai)
Vaccines cause cancer, infertility, astma, adhd etc (HT Baryochai)

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Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?

Yes (Shot)
115 (37.7%)
Yes (Nasal Spray)
5 (1.6%)
No
185 (60.7%)

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Author Topic: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread  (Read 262678 times)

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #525 on: January 23, 2014, 07:32:28 PM »
Running 102. Have hours of work left to do tonight. Totally getting the flu.
Save your time, I don't answer PM. Post it in the forum and a dedicated DDF'er will get back to you as soon as possible.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #526 on: January 23, 2014, 07:46:53 PM »
lol

I hope you one day have the tax issues I'm researching tonight.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #527 on: January 23, 2014, 10:15:15 PM »

lol

I hope you one day have the tax issues I'm researching tonight.

What area?

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #528 on: January 23, 2014, 11:05:25 PM »
Can't tell!!!

(But you're probably have a lot of money if you're dealing with it)

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #530 on: January 26, 2014, 12:50:43 PM »
Repost!!!

(And btw, I totally didn't have the flu.)

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #531 on: January 26, 2014, 02:47:39 PM »
Has anyone here not gotten the polio vaccine?

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #532 on: February 02, 2014, 03:12:15 AM »
@Barryg

Vitamin supplements are a very touchy subject nowadays in the medical community. Recent data shows that unless there is a clear deficiency in a specific vitamin, there is little benefit to taking most supplements and it may possibly be harmful.

Regarding Vitamin D specifically one must be very careful. some vitamins are water soluble (they travel in liquid) and are easily excreted from the body. Some are fat soluble and are stored in the body for long periods of time. Vitamin D (and A, E, and K) are fat soluble and therefore pose a serious risk for overdose (called toxicity).

I'm not saying people shouldn't take supplements, just that people should be smart and careful and discuss it with a competent health/nutrition expert.

I find it curious though that the same people (I am not indicating anyone specific from DDF, just a worldly observation) who seem to be the most suspicious of the drug companies (due to their lust for money) have no such reservations about the integrity of the for-profit MVM (multivitamin and mineral) companies.
I personally don't get much vitamin d from food...
http://www.webmd.com/osteoporosis/features/the-truth-about-vitamin-d-vitamin-d-food-sources
Though we have seen more sun than indicated here http://www.weather.com/weather/monthly/44118?month=-1 I don't believe the average person in our neck of the woods gets enough sunlight.
So, even if they were making a killing, I would still think that it's a good idea to splurge and buy vitamin d3 in addition to or instead of flu shots, (let alone all the other things vitamin D deficiency may cause). Happens to be that even kosher vitamin d is rather inexpensive. Have any better ideas than supplements? http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/about-vitamin-d/how-do-i-get-the-vitamin-d-my-body-needs/ They don't...
As far as not absorbing, why not just take with meal http://www.webmd.com/diet/news/20100507/take-vitamin-d-with-largest-meal (or fish oil)?
Before bashing vitamin D3 supplementing any more, please ask your doctor (after you've tested your vitamin d levels in the winter)
Thanks,
above semi rant, was not to get personal or to bash rather to open your mind (and others as well) to a not publicized issue that pretty much any doctor (in cities that have a real winter) would agree with, especially if asked...

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #533 on: February 02, 2014, 02:30:40 PM »
I personally don't get much vitamin d from food...
http://www.webmd.com/osteoporosis/features/the-truth-about-vitamin-d-vitamin-d-food-sources
Though we have seen more sun than indicated here http://www.weather.com/weather/monthly/44118?month=-1 I don't believe the average person in our neck of the woods gets enough sunlight.
So, even if they were making a killing, I would still think that it's a good idea to splurge and buy vitamin d3 in addition to or instead of flu shots, (let alone all the other things vitamin D deficiency may cause). Happens to be that even kosher vitamin d is rather inexpensive. Have any better ideas than supplements? http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/about-vitamin-d/how-do-i-get-the-vitamin-d-my-body-needs/ They don't...
As far as not absorbing, why not just take with meal http://www.webmd.com/diet/news/20100507/take-vitamin-d-with-largest-meal (or fish oil)?
Before bashing vitamin D3 supplementing any more, please ask your doctor (after you've tested your vitamin d levels in the winter)
Thanks,
above semi rant, was not to get personal or to bash rather to open your mind (and others as well) to a not publicized issue that pretty much any doctor (in cities that have a real winter) would agree with, especially if asked...

Argh you missed my point (which was bolded btw)

@Barryg

I find it curious though that the same people (I am not indicating anyone specific from DDF, just a worldly observation) who seem to be the most suspicious of the drug companies (due to their lust for money) have no such reservations about the integrity of the for-profit MVM (multivitamin and mineral) companies.

There are lots of questions about the positive effects of Vitamin D supplements and many of the studies have been inconclusive at best as to their efficacy.

My point is simply that there is an equally large financial interest in the supplement market as there is in the vaccine market. Therefore, why would one trust that supplements promote health (despite real research that it is questionable) while not believing that vaccines promote health (despite not one real research study that can be replicated).

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #534 on: February 02, 2014, 03:11:48 PM »
Argh you missed my point (which was bolded btw)

There are lots of questions about the positive effects of Vitamin D supplements and many of the studies have been inconclusive at best as to their efficacy.

My point is simply that there is an equally large financial interest in the supplement market as there is in the vaccine market. Therefore, why would one trust that supplements promote health (despite real research that it is questionable) while not believing that vaccines promote health (despite not one real research study that can be replicated).
I believe that I addressed the point even if I didn't answer fully, that sometimes in life, we buy things knowing that there is a large profit margin. If Vitamin D3 fell into this category, I would still buy. It happens to be extremely inexpensive (hence, no big financial interest) even in the kosher version...

Once on the subject, would you like to lead me to real research that proves that vitamin D3 supplements aren't good for one who is deficient?
I never said that all vaccines are equal, my main Kashyas on vaccines are flu shot (at least the shot version), chicken pox vaccine, and current schedule of vaccinations. (At least these are the only concerns that I discussed in this thread.)

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #535 on: March 03, 2014, 12:01:55 PM »
http://www.prweb.com/releases/ASOT/Thimerosal/prweb11598819.htm

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For nearly ten years, Brian Hooker has been requesting documents that are kept under tight wraps by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). His more than 100 Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests have resulted in copious evidence that the vaccine preservative Thimerosal, which is still used in the flu shot that is administered to pregnant women and infants, can cause autism and other neurodevelopmental disorders.

Dr. Hooker, a PhD scientist, worked with two members of Congress to craft the letter to the CDC that recently resulted in his obtaining long-awaited data from the CDC, the significance of which is historic. According to Hooker, the data on over 400,000 infants born between 1991 and 1997, which was analyzed by CDC epidemiologist Thomas Verstraeten, MD, ďproves unequivocally that in 2000, CDC officials were informed internally of the very high risk of autism, non-organic sleep disorder and speech disorder associated with Thimerosal exposure.Ē

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #536 on: March 03, 2014, 12:04:11 PM »
Yawn.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #537 on: March 03, 2014, 12:34:01 PM »
Also of note.

Dr Poul Thorsen, who co-authored some of the most frequently cited studies concluding that there is no link between thimerosal-containing vaccines and autism, nor between the MMR vaccine and autism is now a wanted fugitive who scammed the CDC out of millions of dollars. Yet, the CDC still relies on this manís research to make the claim that there is no link between vaccines and autism.

https://oig.hhs.gov/fraud/fugitives/profiles.asp
 

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #538 on: March 03, 2014, 12:53:41 PM »
Also of note.

Dr Poul Thorsen, who co-authored some of the most frequently cited studies concluding that there is no link between thimerosal-containing vaccines and autism, nor between the MMR vaccine and autism is now a wanted fugitive who scammed the CDC out of millions of dollars. Yet, the CDC still relies on this manís research to make the claim that there is no link between vaccines and autism.

https://oig.hhs.gov/fraud/fugitives/profiles.asp

He must be pretty smart!

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #539 on: March 03, 2014, 03:22:24 PM »
Also of note.

Dr Poul Thorsen, who co-authored some of the most frequently cited studies concluding that there is no link between thimerosal-containing vaccines and autism, nor between the MMR vaccine and autism is now a wanted fugitive who scammed the CDC out of millions of dollars. Yet, the CDC still relies on this manís research to make the claim that there is no link between vaccines and autism.

https://oig.hhs.gov/fraud/fugitives/profiles.asp
Just want to make sure I got this right... A partial author on a study, stole money from the CDC at least a year after the study in question concluded. Based on this the CDC should stop believing that there is no known link between vaccines and autism. Instead they should rely on Andrew Wakefield, the author of the only known study to provide a link between vaccines and autism. The author who is no longer allowed to practice as a physician because he not only lied about conclusions but falsified data and made up test subjects! Again, just want to make sure I have it straight.

When someone responds with any decent answer regarding Fakefield or with an actual peer-reviewed article connecting modern vaccines with autism I will be glad to listen.