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Facts
The flu vaccine causes more deaths per year than chicken pox.
The direct injection of RSV immunoglobulin, commonly known as the "RSV vaccine" would prevent 16x more deaths than the flu vaccine does, but is too expensive.
There is a vaccine for the plague, and that is why it is no longer an epidemic.
Ebola is caused by vaccines.
There is a vaccine for autism, but it causes mumps.


Opinions
Vaccines do not contain thimerosal, a known toxin.
If you snuck up on your neighbor's kid and cut open his skull, you would be arrested.  But when brain surgeons do it, and charge hundreds of thousands of dollars, it considered "medicine."
99% of vaccines do not cause autism (HT JJ1000).
Every pedi has seen healthy kids become sick physically & mentally hours after a vax (HT Baryochai)
Vaccines cause cancer, infertility, astma, adhd etc (HT Baryochai)

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Author Topic: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread  (Read 262987 times)

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #540 on: March 03, 2014, 03:27:33 PM »
Just want to make sure I got this right... A partial author on a study, stole money from the CDC at least a year after the study in question concluded. Based on this the CDC should stop believing that there is no known link between vaccines and autism. Instead they should rely on Andrew Wakefield, the author of the only known study to provide a link between vaccines and autism. The author who is no longer allowed to practice as a physician because he not only lied about conclusions but falsified data and made up test subjects! Again, just want to make sure I have it straight.

When someone responds with any decent answer regarding Fakefield or with an actual peer-reviewed article connecting modern vaccines with autism I will be glad to listen.
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #541 on: March 03, 2014, 03:59:28 PM »
Just want to make sure I got this right... A partial author on a study, stole money from the CDC at least a year after the study in question concluded. Based on this the CDC should stop believing that there is no known link between vaccines and autism. Instead they should rely on Andrew Wakefield, the author of the only known study to provide a link between vaccines and autism. The author who is no longer allowed to practice as a physician because he not only lied about conclusions but falsified data and made up test subjects! Again, just want to make sure I have it straight.

When someone responds with any decent answer regarding Fakefield or with an actual peer-reviewed article connecting modern vaccines with autism I will be glad to listen.

Well, it does cast doubt on his honesty, which should raise suspicion that he would also falsify information in a study to get results he thought would give him more credibility or lead to being hired again, etc.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #542 on: March 03, 2014, 04:03:53 PM »
Also of note.

Dr Poul Thorsen, who co-authored some of the most frequently cited studies concluding that there is no link between thimerosal-containing vaccines and autism, nor between the MMR vaccine and autism is now a wanted fugitive who scammed the CDC out of millions of dollars. Yet, the CDC still relies on this manís research to make the claim that there is no link between vaccines and autism.

https://oig.hhs.gov/fraud/fugitives/profiles.asp
 
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #543 on: March 03, 2014, 04:27:14 PM »
Lol, now that we have the dictionary definition of ad hominem explained, shall we continue?
You think it's a logical fallacy to question studies coauthored by a man who stole millions from the people who hired him to conduct those studies?

If you had an employee who you hired to conduct research and who then stole millions from you and ran, you would still accept his research without question?  :o

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #544 on: March 03, 2014, 04:44:10 PM »
You think it's a logical fallacy to question studies coauthored by a man who stole millions from the people who hired him to conduct those studies?

If you had an employee who you hired to conduct research and who then stole millions from you and ran, you would still accept his research without question?  :o

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #545 on: March 03, 2014, 04:44:55 PM »

You think it's a logical fallacy to question studies coauthored by a man who stole millions from the people who hired him to conduct those studies?

If you had an employee who you hired to conduct research and who then stole millions from you and ran, you would still accept his research without question?  :o

Is the guy in question a Daas yuchid?

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #546 on: March 03, 2014, 04:45:38 PM »
Is the guy in question a Daas yuchid?
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #547 on: March 03, 2014, 05:14:22 PM »
Is the guy in question a Daas yuchid?

So let them cite the other researchers. It is weird for them to cite the one who was ripping them off while doing said research.

Do you think anyone still cites Madoff for how the market was doing in the years he was operating? Even if other people say the same thing?

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #548 on: March 03, 2014, 07:05:56 PM »
Its a conspiracy. Autistic people tend to vote republican.  ::)

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #550 on: March 03, 2014, 11:31:04 PM »
Also of note,
The former director of the CDC is now the head of Merck's Vaccine division.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julie_Gerberding




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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #551 on: March 03, 2014, 11:40:13 PM »
Well, it does cast doubt on his honesty, which should raise suspicion that he would also falsify information in a study to get results he thought would give him more credibility or lead to being hired again, etc.
Not nearly to the extent of someone who falsified his data
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #552 on: March 04, 2014, 10:15:05 AM »
Also of note,
The former director of the CDC is now the head of Merck's Vaccine division.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julie_Gerberding

I'm glad the CDC has experts who are also qualified for high level private positions. I'd be much more scared if the former director of the CDC was now a mailman.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #553 on: March 04, 2014, 10:49:04 AM »
Also of note,
The former director of the CDC is now the head of Merck's Vaccine division.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julie_Gerberding




If you were hiring a head for your vaccine division would you be able to do much better than someone who has spent years researching vaccines?

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #554 on: March 04, 2014, 12:01:02 PM »
There is nothing else to talk about until
someone responds with any decent answer regarding Fakefield or with an actual peer-reviewed article connecting modern vaccines with autism

The only thing I can imagine that you are trying to say is that the CDC is conspiring to keep the public from learning that "vaccines truly cause autism". How is that good for the USA? Do you think Obama didn't have his kids vaccinated? Do you think there is not one medical researcher with a shred of integrity left who would run an experiment to test whether there is a causative correlation between vaccines and autism if it could be as severe as you claim?