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Facts
The flu vaccine causes more deaths per year than chicken pox.
The direct injection of RSV immunoglobulin, commonly known as the "RSV vaccine" would prevent 16x more deaths than the flu vaccine does, but is too expensive.
There is a vaccine for the plague, and that is why it is no longer an epidemic.
Ebola is caused by vaccines.
There is a vaccine for autism, but it causes mumps.


Opinions
Vaccines do not contain thimerosal, a known toxin.
If you snuck up on your neighbor's kid and cut open his skull, you would be arrested.  But when brain surgeons do it, and charge hundreds of thousands of dollars, it considered "medicine."
99% of vaccines do not cause autism (HT JJ1000).
Every pedi has seen healthy kids become sick physically & mentally hours after a vax (HT Baryochai)
Vaccines cause cancer, infertility, astma, adhd etc (HT Baryochai)

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Yes (Nasal Spray)
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Author Topic: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread  (Read 262502 times)

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #555 on: March 04, 2014, 12:04:31 PM »
Do you think there is not one medical researcher with a shred of integrity left who would run an experiment to test whether there is a causative correlation between vaccines and autism if it could be as severe as you claim?

Umm there are quite a few....

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #556 on: March 04, 2014, 12:09:57 PM »
There is nothing else to talk about until
The only thing I can imagine that you are trying to say is that the CDC is conspiring to keep the public from learning that "vaccines truly cause autism". How is that good for the USA? Do you think Obama didn't have his kids vaccinated? Do you think there is not one medical researcher with a shred of integrity left who would run an experiment to test whether there is a causative correlation between vaccines and autism if it could be as severe as you claim?

That's unfair.

Even if there would be some increased risk of autism, it is possible that the health benefits would outweigh it anyway.  In which case, it would be very likely that the CDC would want to cover that up to make sure people do get the vaccines, and also would be consistent with Obama's kids being vaccinated (as if you know whether they are).

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #557 on: March 04, 2014, 12:12:22 PM »
That's unfair.

Even if there would be some increased risk of autism, it is possible that the health benefits would outweigh it anyway.  In which case, it would be very likely that the CDC would want to cover that up to make sure people do get the vaccines, and also would be consistent with Obama's kids being vaccinated (as if you know whether they are).
Shouldn't this be a decision parents get to make? The CDC should be open and say "these are the risks, these are the benefits, decide for yourselves..."

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #558 on: March 04, 2014, 12:13:41 PM »
Shouldn't this be a decision parents get to make? The CDC should be open and say "these are the risks, these are the benefits, decide for yourselves..."
There aren't any risks.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #559 on: March 04, 2014, 12:15:05 PM »

Shouldn't this be a decision parents get to make? The CDC should be open and say "these are the risks, these are the benefits, decide for yourselves..."

They do. Your arm may be sore at the spot of injection for a few days.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #560 on: March 04, 2014, 12:18:34 PM »
There aren't any risks.
Agreed but Henche was saying that there may be risks but the CDC wants to shield us from them so people would vaccinate anyways.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #561 on: March 04, 2014, 12:21:23 PM »
There aren't any risks.
I don't believe the package insert for any vaccine would agree with your comment...
Autism isn't the only risk.


True, unlike the other side...
I've spoken to many on "the other side" that will say things to me, but wouldn't/don't say in public...

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #562 on: March 04, 2014, 12:23:51 PM »
Umm there are quite a few....

I've been on this thread since the beginning, I have yet to see one credible, reproducible study linking vaccines with autism. So just go ahead and link them, please.

That's unfair.

Even if there would be some increased risk of autism, it is possible that the health benefits would outweigh it anyway.  In which case, it would be very likely that the CDC would want to cover that up to make sure people do get the vaccines, and also would be consistent with Obama's kids being vaccinated (as if you know whether they are).
What's unfair? Yes, the health benefits would likely outweigh the risks if there were a link. However, I still don't believe the risk of the USA not trusting the CDC at all, if "the truth" got out there would be worth the risk of lying and covering it up. Secondly, as I mentioned it would have been discovered by some researcher somewhere and published. You don't honestly believe that everyone is in on the conspiracy, do you?

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #563 on: March 04, 2014, 12:26:02 PM »
There aren't any risks.
Dude, don't take this the wrong way but you gotta stop pulling stuff out of your @$$. You keep saying there are no risks to vaccines. There are risks to everything including vaccines. There are even serious risks. Pretending like there aren't is just feeding into the nutjobs beliefs that there is some grand conspiracy to create an autistic universe.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #564 on: March 04, 2014, 12:27:12 PM »
I've been on this thread since the beginning, I have yet to see one credible, reproducible study linking vaccines with autism. So just go ahead and link them, please.

You misunderstood me, there were quite a few "researchers with a shred of integrity left who would run an experiment to test whether there is a causative correlation between vaccines and autism", they all published their research and found no such causative correlation...

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #565 on: March 04, 2014, 12:28:37 PM »
You misunderstood me, there were quite a few "researchers with a shred of integrity left who would run an experiment to test whether there is a causative correlation between vaccines and autism", they all published their research and found no such causative correlation...

Thanks for clarifying, sorry for the misunderstanding.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #566 on: March 04, 2014, 01:10:07 PM »
Thanks for clarifying, sorry for the misunderstanding.
Besides for being on the thread from the beginning, please also try and remember who is biased one way/the other way/ or neutral. This will prevent future misunderstandings. It will also be on the final exam...

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #567 on: March 04, 2014, 01:23:23 PM »
I've been on this thread since the beginning, I have yet to see one credible, reproducible study linking vaccines with autism. So just go ahead and link them, please.
Did you miss this?
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=24137.msg630419#msg630419

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #568 on: March 04, 2014, 01:47:29 PM »
Dude, don't take this the wrong way but you gotta stop pulling stuff out of your @$$. You keep saying there are no risks to vaccines. There are risks to everything including vaccines. There are even serious risks. Pretending like there aren't is just feeding into the nutjobs beliefs that there is some grand conspiracy to create an autistic universe.
Dude, Side affects like a sore arm and mild fever are not "risks."
The only severe "risks" to vaccines are severe allergic reactions that are extremely rare. I understand that you want to be reasonable by recognizing the "other side." Realize that they are kooks who usually have personal circumstances that need to blame on the evil doctors. There is no room for an intelligent discussion.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #569 on: March 04, 2014, 02:33:32 PM »
Dude, Side affects like a sore arm and mild fever are not "risks."
The only severe "risks" to vaccines are severe allergic reactions that are extremely rare. I understand that you want to be reasonable by recognizing the "other side." Realize that they are kooks who usually have personal circumstances that need to blame on the evil doctors. There is no room for an intelligent discussion.

Why would you say there are no risks, if there are extremely rare severe risks?