Vaccine Discussion Master Thread

[jaywhy]

Even though you said you're done here, realize this:

No, this a cheap kop out.  Not vaccinating effects everyone. That is why people get so worked up about it. It is not just a personal choice that affects your own family. It is a highly selfish, dangerous practice.

On the contrary, let her provide the evidence and share it with the masses. If vaccinations are so dangerous, why keep it private? And if she is keeping it to herself so her children can rely on herd immunity because of the rest of us who do vaccinate, why, that is might selfish and disgusting behavior for someone who makes a living healing others.

Measles, mumps, whooping cough and more are all things our communities are suffering from because INDIVIDUALS are deciding to defy reason and evidence.

I know this is harsh, but it is a harsh reality. Peace out indeed.

You don't say. When the naturopathic remedies get rid of polio (speak to someone over 50-60 to see how widespread and debilitating polio was) please let us know.

If you are wondering why people who choose not to vaccinate keep it to themselves, you just answered your own question. It's because of people like you who don't realize that vaccination is a personal choice that should be made by weighing the risks and benefits of each side, and lambast people and shame people who don't follow your opinion. I hate to break it to you but artificially induced herd immunity is a complete scam. It doesn't work. Just look at any recent outbreak of a disease vaccination is supposed to prevent and you'll see how vaccinated and unvaccinated people are affected almost indiscriminately.

The risks of the diseases that vaccines claim to prevent is highly overstated these days while the risks of the actual vaccines is vastly understated. When you are surrounded by good
Medical care, fresh food and produce, good sanitation, and a healthy start to life, the necessity of vaccinating goes way down. That's why it is a personal choice and that's why you should respect the choice of the parents that choose not to vaccinate.

[TimT]

It's fascinating how after all these years it still hasn't been proven beyond any reason of a doubt one way or the other. Even dr's & scientists are still all over the place on it.

[churnbabychurn]

It's fascinating how after all these years it still hasn't been proven beyond any reason of a doubt one way or the other. Even dr's & scientists are still all over the place on it.

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[TimT]

lie

I happen to be with you on this one. I don't understand why some dr's are still so adamantly against it.

[Menachem613]

If you are wondering why people who choose not to vaccinate keep it to themselves, you just answered your own question. It's because of people like you who don't realize that vaccination is a personal choice that should be made by weighing the risks and benefits of each side, and lambast people and shame people who don't follow your opinion. I hate to break it to you but artificially induced herd immunity is a complete scam. It doesn't work. Just look at any recent outbreak of a disease vaccination is supposed to prevent and you'll see how vaccinated and unvaccinated people are affected almost indiscriminately.

The risks of the diseases that vaccines claim to prevent is highly overstated these days while the risks of the actual vaccines is vastly understated. When you are surrounded by good
Medical care, fresh food and produce, good sanitation, and a healthy start to life, the necessity of vaccinating goes way down. That's why it is a personal choice and that's why you should respect the choice of the parents that choose not to vaccinate.

It's a personal choice until it affects others.

[churnbabychurn]

If you are wondering why people who choose not to vaccinate keep it to themselves, you just answered your own question. It's because of people like you who don't realize that vaccination is a personal choice that should be made by weighing the risks and benefits of each side, and lambast people and shame people who don't follow your opinion. I hate to break it to you but artificially induced herd immunity is a complete scam. It doesn't work. Just look at any recent outbreak of a disease vaccination is supposed to prevent and you'll see how vaccinated and unvaccinated people are affected almost indiscriminately.

The risks of the diseases that vaccines claim to prevent is highly overstated these days while the risks of the actual vaccines is vastly understated. When you are surrounded by good
Medical care, fresh food and produce, good sanitation, and a healthy start to life, the necessity of vaccinating goes way down. That's why it is a personal choice and that's why you should respect the choice of the parents that choose not to vaccinate.

I thought doctors are evil nutcases who are brainwashed in school???

If gd forbid someone got cancer, would you send him to the voodoo naturalist and take vitamin D? I sure hope not! and I think you are implying that you too would seek the best modern medicine has to offer. Why then do you think vaccines are some kind of poison? You gotta be consistent.

[jaywhy]

I thought doctors are evil nutcases who are brainwashed in school???

If gd forbid someone got cancer, would you send him to the voodoo naturalist and take vitamin D? I sure hope not! and I think you are implying that you too would seek the best modern medicine has to offer. Why then do you think vaccines are some kind of poison? You gotta be consistent.

Not sure where you got that idea from.
Benefiting from modern medicine doesn't mean blindly taking everything that modern medicine produces. I believe in an integrative approach that combines the best of both fields.

(Just btw, I know personally of someone with cancer who failed to respond to every conventional medical cancer treatment. She went to a naturopathic doctor who shrunk the tumor down to 1/8 of its original size in 3 months  and it went into remission. Like I said, take the best of both approaches.)

[CountValentine]

How many natural cancer survivors do you want to meet ?

Do you know any it did not work for?

[Achas Veachas]

Do you know any it did not work for?

Here's one that comes to mind.

[henche]

We really need a new poll now that winter is over for who got the vaccine and who got the flu.

Me: no vaccine, no flu.

[Achas Veachas]

So you found 1 - & another one ( Achas v'acchas )

Who said every natural cure works every time ?

Thanks for making my point clear, you can't base anything on anecdotal evidence...

[CountValentine]

Open you eyes take of you sun glasses American cancer society says cancer @ all time high

If you live longer do you have a higher risk of getting cancer?

[Achas Veachas]

so is is that a valid reason to commit suicide ?

Do you have reading comprehension issues?

[CountValentine]

so is is that a valid reason to commit suicide ?

I was thinking more along the lines of those who choose not to get vaccinated. They have a higher risk of dying early so this will lower their risk of getting cancer. Now they can have their cake and eat it too.

[churnbabychurn]

So you found 1 - & another one ( Achas v'acchas )

Who said every natural cure works every time ?

Open you eyes take of you sun glasses American cancer society says cancer @ all time high

 http://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancerbasics/lifetime-probability-of-developing-or-dying-from-cancer

So vaccines cause cancer? (1+1=Whatever you want!)

[CountValentine]

So vaccines cause cancer?

Check with your doctor. The memo just came out. 

[Achas Veachas]

Check with your doctor. The memo just came out. 

That was only for the doctors who saw the light...

[Achas Veachas]

Open you eyes take of you sun glasses American cancer society says cancer @ all time high

 http://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancerbasics/lifetime-probability-of-developing-or-dying-from-cancer

One what are you basing that it's connected to vaccines? sounds more lake a bube mayse

[CountValentine]

One what are you basing that, sounds more lake a bube mayse

So you believe if nobody was ever vaccinated we would all live longer.

[CountValentine]

Less SIDS...

You seem to have a problem giving a straight answer. A yes or no will just work just fine.