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Roundup Of Routes Where Kosher Meals Are Served By North American Airlines - http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/89484

Here's a google docs where people could input their inflight kashrus experience :
http://kshr.us/KosherMeals 


AA KSML availability:

-Most domestic routes where meals are served (in J or F)
-Flights to Europe or Asia in all classes.
-Flights to Belo Horizonte, Brasilia, Porto Alegre, Recife, Rio de Janeiro, Salvador, Sao Paulo, Brazil in all classes.
-Flights to Asuncion, Paraguay in all classes.
-Flights to Buenos Aires, Argentina in all classes.
-Flights to Santiago, Chile in all classes.
-Flights to Montevideo, Uruguay in all classes.

UA KSML availability:

-EWR-SFO in J
-EWR-LAX in J
-BOS-SFO in J
-Flights between the US mainland or Guam and Hawaii in J or F.
-Flights to Europe or Asia in all classes.
-Flights to Argentina, Brazil, Chile and Peru in all classes.

Please Include:
Airline:
Class:
Route:
Caterer:
Hechsher:
Flight date:
Meal in pics:
Stogel-Hermolis Scale Score (1-10):

Stogel-Hermolis Scale:
1. Inedible, wouldn't feed to a dog. (Stogel [long-life])
2. Disgusting, would only eat if starving
3. Barely edible, would only eat if very hungry
4. Below average, but would eat if hungry (Stogel [fresh-frozen])
5. Average/typical KSML, would eat if hungry (Borenstein?)
6. Above average KSML (Borenstein?)
7. A good KSML, might even eat if not hungry.
8. A very good KSML
9. An excellent KSML, could pass for something served in a decent restaurant.
10. Top of the line KSML, would be happy eating this at a decent restaurant. (Hermolis)


AirlineRouteClassMeal
BALHR-JFKJDinner
BALHR-PRGJBreakfast
CM           TGU-PTY          J              Lunch
CM           PTY-JK          J              Dinner
CO           EWR-TLV          BF              Dinner
COEWR-TLVBFBreakfast
COHNL-EWRBFDinner
COHNL-EWRBFBreakfast
COIAH-HNLBFLunch
COIAH-HNLBFSnack
LHFRA-VCEJSnack
LXORD-ZRHFDinner
LXZRH-TLVYDinner
SNBRU-VCEJBreakfast
SNTLV-BRUJDinner
SNTLV-BRUJBreakfast
TPJFK-LISYDin/Break
TPLIS-JFKYDinner



United Airlines
USA-Australia routes (economy): Koshair, O-U, Hamotzi, CS.
USA-Sydney  (First): Regal - meat and chicken meals.
Australia-USA routes (economy): Lewis Continental, K-A, Hamotzi, CY.
LH EWR-FRA Y Regal Chicken
LH MUC-EWR Y Sohar Hot meat meal and cold sandwich
LH FRA-VIE C Sohar Cold Meal (fish)
OS VIE TLV C VIE Local Co (hechser Rabbi Schwartz) Hot
US TLV PHL C Hamasbia
UA(CO) EWR-TLV Y Regal Beef meal (2010)
SA JNB-CPT-JNB Y Hot Meal from Joburg Beth Din
MN(BA) JNB-VFA Meal from Joburg Beth Din
SQ JFK-FRA Suites very poor Borenstein meal, labeled business class, chicken, no real dishes, very little food.
EK SYD-AKL  F    Lewis, no hot meal.
NZ AKL-LAX  Y    Gray's deli, fish meal.
TK CPT-IST  J/Y    Norries Caterers - CPT Beth Din - Milk Snack (Sandwich & Muffin CPT-JNB leg) Meat Dinner, Milk breakfast
« Last edited by zow on May 22, 2019, 02:37:01 PM »

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Re: KSML (Kosher Airline Meals) Master Thread
« Reply #2220 on: May 22, 2019, 02:18:14 PM »
5-6. Just under Borenstein.

If you think it's not quite as good as Borenstein, then maybe it would be a 4-5 on the scale?   Here's the current version of the scale, according to the wiki (my bolding added):

Stogel-Hermolis Scale:
1. Inedible, wouldn't feed to a dog. (Stogel)
2. Disgusting, would only eat if starving
3. Barely edible, would only eat if very hungry
4. Below average, but would eat if hungry
5. Average/typical KSML, would eat if hungry (Borenstein?)
6. Above average KSML
7. A good KSML, might even eat if not hungry.
8. A very good KSML
9. An excellent KSML, could pass for something served in a decent restaurant.
10. Top of the line KSML, would be happy eating this at a decent restaurant. (Hermolis)
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Or maybe you don't agree that Borenstein should be a 5?

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Re: KSML (Kosher Airline Meals) Master Thread
« Reply #2221 on: May 22, 2019, 02:21:17 PM »
Had Stogel's fresh meals for the first time from AMS in DL J. Was either a 4 or a 5.
Thoughts @AJK?
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Re: KSML (Kosher Airline Meals) Master Thread
« Reply #2222 on: May 22, 2019, 02:26:03 PM »
Had Stogel's fresh meals for the first time from AMS in DL J. Was either a 4 or a 5.
Thoughts @AJK?
So should we update the scale to indicate the following?
1=Stogel (frozen)
4=Stogel (fresh)

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Re: KSML (Kosher Airline Meals) Master Thread
« Reply #2223 on: May 22, 2019, 02:28:53 PM »


Or maybe you don't agree that Borenstein should be a 5?
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Re: KSML (Kosher Airline Meals) Master Thread
« Reply #2224 on: May 22, 2019, 02:30:55 PM »
So should we update the scale to indicate the following?
1=Stogel (Long-life)
4=Stogel (fresh/frozen)
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Re: KSML (Kosher Airline Meals) Master Thread
« Reply #2225 on: May 22, 2019, 02:35:51 PM »
This: Or maybe you don't agree that Borenstein should be a 5?

So you think Borenstein should be 6? 7?

Wiki updated.

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Re: KSML (Kosher Airline Meals) Master Thread
« Reply #2226 on: May 22, 2019, 02:43:02 PM »
So you think Borenstein should be 6? 7?

Wiki updated.
7 IMO
If you take a Stogel and Hermolis, and you think Borenstein fits smack in middle you have no tastebuds IMHO.
Also I don't think we should be labeling all 1-10, just 1, 5, and 10 or something like that to get the idea.
Since meals change a lot you can have a caterer that's categorized as a 7 serve something that's a 3, and the labels will throw everyone off.
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Re: KSML (Kosher Airline Meals) Master Thread
« Reply #2227 on: May 22, 2019, 02:47:47 PM »
7 IMO
If you take a Stogel and Hermolis, and you think Borenstein fits smack in middle you have no tastebuds IMHO.
Also I don't think we should be labeling all 1-10, just 1, 5, and 10 or something like that to get the idea.
Since meals change a lot you can have a caterer that's categorized as a 7 serve something that's a 3, and the labels will throw everyone off.
Crazy talk.

Need to rank the meals from Australia. Those are often great. @jj1000
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Re: KSML (Kosher Airline Meals) Master Thread
« Reply #2228 on: May 22, 2019, 02:52:59 PM »
Crazy talk.

Need to rank the meals from Australia. Those are often great. @jj1000
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I can believe I'm the only one who thinks Borenstein is solid, I've had many Borenstein meals and aside form Hermolis they are probably all the best I've ever had.

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Re: KSML (Kosher Airline Meals) Master Thread
« Reply #2229 on: May 22, 2019, 02:54:00 PM »
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I can believe I'm the only one who thinks Borenstein is solid, I've had many Borenstein meals and aside form Hermolis they are probably all the best I've ever had.

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TK, LX and OS are far better.
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Re: KSML (Kosher Airline Meals) Master Thread
« Reply #2230 on: May 22, 2019, 02:55:31 PM »
TK, LX and OS are far better.
LX I agree.
Never had the other 2.
Do you think it's a 5 as well?
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Re: KSML (Kosher Airline Meals) Master Thread
« Reply #2231 on: May 22, 2019, 03:01:00 PM »
Crazy talk.

Need to rank the meals from Australia. Those are often great. @jj1000
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Re: KSML (Kosher Airline Meals) Master Thread
« Reply #2232 on: May 22, 2019, 03:16:15 PM »
7 IMO
If you take a Stogel and Hermolis, and you think Borenstein fits smack in middle you have no tastebuds IMHO.
Also I don't think we should be labeling all 1-10, just 1, 5, and 10 or something like that to get the idea.
Since meals change a lot you can have a caterer that's categorized as a 7 serve something that's a 3, and the labels will throw everyone off.

There are pros and cons of having a numerical rating scale. 
Of course there is variation even within a particular caterer's offerings.
I would argue that having the scale and "forcing" its users to make quantitative estimates will help us to communicate.

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Re: KSML (Kosher Airline Meals) Master Thread
« Reply #2233 on: May 22, 2019, 03:24:10 PM »
There are pros and cons of having a numerical rating scale. 
Of course there is variation even within a particular caterer's offerings.
I would argue that having the scale and "forcing" its users to make quantitative estimates will help us to communicate.
the scale is amazing IMO. But associating a caterer with each number is where I think it's too much
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Re: KSML (Kosher Airline Meals) Master Thread
« Reply #2234 on: May 22, 2019, 03:46:55 PM »
TK, LX and OS are far better.
TK?!?
Can't remember the last time I got through more than just a few bites. (J meal ex-IST) flown it many times.