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Roundup Of Routes Where Kosher Meals Are Served By North American Airlines - http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/89484

Here's a google docs where people could input their inflight kashrus experience :
http://kshr.us/KosherMeals 


AA KSML availability:

-Most domestic routes where meals are served (in J or F)
-Flights to Europe or Asia in all classes.
-Flights to Belo Horizonte, Brasilia, Porto Alegre, Recife, Rio de Janeiro, Salvador, Sao Paulo, Brazil in all classes.
-Flights to Asuncion, Paraguay in all classes.
-Flights to Buenos Aires, Argentina in all classes.
-Flights to Santiago, Chile in all classes.
-Flights to Montevideo, Uruguay in all classes.

UA KSML availability:

-EWR-SFO in J
-EWR-LAX in J
-BOS-SFO in J
-Flights between the US mainland or Guam and Hawaii in J or F.
-Flights to Europe or Asia in all classes.
-Flights to Argentina, Brazil, Chile and Peru in all classes.

Please Include:
Airline:
Class:
Route:
Caterer:
Hechsher:
Flight date:
Meal in pics:
Stogel-Hermolis Scale Score (1-10):

Stogel-Hermolis Scale:
1. Inedible, wouldn't feed to a dog. (Stogel [long-life])
2. Disgusting, would only eat if starving
3. Barely edible, would only eat if very hungry
4. Below average, but would eat if hungry (Stogel [fresh-frozen])
5. Average/typical KSML, would eat if hungry (Borenstein?)
6. Above average KSML (Borenstein?)
7. A good KSML, might even eat if not hungry.
8. A very good KSML
9. An excellent KSML, could pass for something served in a decent restaurant.
10. Top of the line KSML, would be happy eating this at a decent restaurant. (Hermolis)


AirlineRouteClassMeal
BALHR-JFKJDinner
BALHR-PRGJBreakfast
CM           TGU-PTY          J              Lunch
CM           PTY-JK          J              Dinner
CO           EWR-TLV          BF              Dinner
COEWR-TLVBFBreakfast
COHNL-EWRBFDinner
COHNL-EWRBFBreakfast
COIAH-HNLBFLunch
COIAH-HNLBFSnack
LHFRA-VCEJSnack
LXORD-ZRHFDinner
LXZRH-TLVYDinner
SNBRU-VCEJBreakfast
SNTLV-BRUJDinner
SNTLV-BRUJBreakfast
TPJFK-LISYDin/Break
TPLIS-JFKYDinner



United Airlines
USA-Australia routes (economy): Koshair, O-U, Hamotzi, CS.
USA-Sydney  (First): Regal - meat and chicken meals.
Australia-USA routes (economy): Lewis Continental, K-A, Hamotzi, CY.
LH EWR-FRA Y Regal Chicken
LH MUC-EWR Y Sohar Hot meat meal and cold sandwich
LH FRA-VIE C Sohar Cold Meal (fish)
OS VIE TLV C VIE Local Co (hechser Rabbi Schwartz) Hot
US TLV PHL C Hamasbia
UA(CO) EWR-TLV Y Regal Beef meal (2010)
SA JNB-CPT-JNB Y Hot Meal from Joburg Beth Din
MN(BA) JNB-VFA Meal from Joburg Beth Din
SQ JFK-FRA Suites very poor Borenstein meal, labeled business class, chicken, no real dishes, very little food.
EK SYD-AKL  F    Lewis, no hot meal.
NZ AKL-LAX  Y    Gray's deli, fish meal.
TK CPT-IST  J/Y    Norries Caterers - CPT Beth Din - Milk Snack (Sandwich & Muffin CPT-JNB leg) Meat Dinner, Milk breakfast
« Last edited by zow on May 22, 2019, 02:37:01 PM »

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Re: KSML (Kosher Airline Meals) Master Thread
« Reply #620 on: July 01, 2015, 02:13:15 PM »
You bring your own meals to the plane then?

Lots of folks do. The KSML is just an excuse to get compensation when something goes wrong.
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Re: KSML (Kosher Airline Meals) Master Thread
« Reply #621 on: July 01, 2015, 02:19:03 PM »
You bring your own meals to the plane then?

Absolutely. Firstly, most of us have been inculcated by our Jewish mothers to never leave home without sandwiches. Crossing the street? Wait! here's a tuna sandwich. But on long hauls in coach especially, 99% of the people on this forum are bringing their own food. Even if they are flying on an airline that will provide a good meal, there is a very likely chance the meal doesn't make it on the plane.

Even on short hauls, the possibility of delays and hiccups usually means you'll either be carrying food or know there are nearby restaurants who can deliver (via Uber or the like) in a pinch.

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Re: KSML (Kosher Airline Meals) Master Thread
« Reply #622 on: July 01, 2015, 02:20:11 PM »
The KSML is just an excuse to get compensation when something goes wrong.

Please tell me this is a joke.

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Re: KSML (Kosher Airline Meals) Master Thread
« Reply #624 on: July 01, 2015, 09:03:07 PM »
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=13574.msg1165992#msg1165992

...except for the fact that my motivation for ordering it was not, as you suggest, to complain in the event I didn't receive it.

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Re: KSML (Kosher Airline Meals) Master Thread
« Reply #625 on: July 01, 2015, 09:04:16 PM »
Commercial kosher kitchens run under the same health and safety guidelines as non-kosher facilities. Which is to say, how clean any individual plant is beyond what the government requires, depends on the qualities demanded by its specific mangers. Any mashgiach can tell you that in some places the Kosher kitchen is cleaner and more hygienic, and sometimes it is not. The kosher certification has no bearing on that.

From people that have personally inspected airline KSML facilities in South Africa, they were exactly the same as their non-kosher counterparts. Both were pristine facilities, with the highest levels of hygiene and cleanliness - far superior to other commercial facilities. When the meals were outsourced to caterers which did not cater solely to airlines, the standards dropped to whatever they were in that specific facility. Which leads me to think that airlines have stricter standards for their meals than standard health and safety regulations, (at least in South Africa) but KSMLs which are produced by third part caterers are not necessarily subject to those rules, and thus not as clean as their non-kosher counterparts.

That's about cleanliness. As for ingredients, governments are far more lenient about not listing items with minimal percentages or just trace amounts (AFAIK), which cannot fly with Kosher meals.

So you're saying I could have saved you three paragraphs if I left out the word cleanliness? ;)
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Re: KSML (Kosher Airline Meals) Master Thread
« Reply #626 on: July 01, 2015, 09:06:35 PM »
So you're saying I could have saved you three paragraphs if I left out the word cleanliness? ;)
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« Reply #627 on: July 01, 2015, 09:07:37 PM »
You wouldn't dare deny me the opportunity to get on a soapbox, would you?
Look who you're talking to... Of course not!
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Re: KSML (Kosher Airline Meals) Master Thread
« Reply #628 on: July 01, 2015, 11:29:02 PM »
...except for the fact that my motivation for ordering it was not, as you suggest, to complain in the event I didn't receive it.

What would you have done if the KSML had indeed come aboard?
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Re: KSML (Kosher Airline Meals) Master Thread
« Reply #629 on: July 01, 2015, 11:50:05 PM »
What would you have done if the KSML had indeed come aboard?

Eaten it?

What do you do with your food?
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Re: KSML (Kosher Airline Meals) Master Thread
« Reply #630 on: July 01, 2015, 11:55:26 PM »

Eaten it?

What do you do with your food?

Play. Or start a food fight.
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Re: KSML (Kosher Airline Meals) Master Thread
« Reply #631 on: July 01, 2015, 11:58:23 PM »
Play. Or start a food fight.

With the POM meal while eating the KSML.  :o
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« Reply #632 on: July 02, 2015, 12:00:58 AM »
Play. Or start a food fight.

The sheer volume of off-topic, and sometimes childish, posts in this forum is mind-boggling. No offense :)

Can you imagine a DDF where posters actually stayed on topic? (rhetorical)
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Re: KSML (Kosher Airline Meals) Master Thread
« Reply #633 on: July 02, 2015, 12:02:10 AM »

The sheer volume of off-topic, and sometimes childish, posts in this forum is mind-boggling. No offense :)

Can you imagine a DDF where posters actually stayed on topic? (rhetorical)

Why thank you.

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Re: KSML (Kosher Airline Meals) Master Thread
« Reply #634 on: July 02, 2015, 12:24:37 AM »
Why thank you.

Nope doesn't happen on here.
You can't take all the credit, good sir.
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Re: KSML (Kosher Airline Meals) Master Thread
« Reply #635 on: July 02, 2015, 12:28:00 AM »
The sheer volume of off-topic, and sometimes childish, posts in this forum is mind-boggling. No offense :)

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Re: KSML (Kosher Airline Meals) Master Thread
« Reply #636 on: July 02, 2015, 10:35:29 AM »
Can i order Kids KSML on LH F and LX F?

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Re: KSML (Kosher Airline Meals) Master Thread
« Reply #637 on: July 02, 2015, 10:45:46 AM »
Can i order Kids KSML on LH F and LX F?
I'm assuming own seat. If yes, you should be able to get a meal for them. For an infant, i know at least KE will only offer an infant meal and no KSML.
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Re: KSML (Kosher Airline Meals) Master Thread
« Reply #638 on: July 02, 2015, 11:20:31 AM »
Can i order Kids KSML on LH F and LX F?

I'm assuming own seat. If yes, you should be able to get a meal for them. For an infant, i know at least KE will only offer an infant meal and no KSML.
He is asking about about a "kids" meal, not a meal for a kid.

I think only LY offers different KSML, like kids and fish meals

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Re: KSML (Kosher Airline Meals) Master Thread
« Reply #639 on: July 02, 2015, 11:32:17 AM »
He is asking about about a "kids" meal, not a meal for a kid.

I think only LY offers different KSML, like kids and fish meals

I know it's "in" to hate El Al, but I haven't had such a nice KSML for a while. They really try hard to serve everyone the same thing, although their fresh bread smells mouthwatering.
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