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Roundup Of Routes Where Kosher Meals Are Served By North American Airlines - http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/89484

Here's a google docs where people could input their inflight kashrus experience :
http://kshr.us/KosherMeals 


AA KSML availability:

-Most domestic routes where meals are served (in J or F)
-Flights to Europe or Asia in all classes.
-Flights to Belo Horizonte, Brasilia, Porto Alegre, Recife, Rio de Janeiro, Salvador, Sao Paulo, Brazil in all classes.
-Flights to Asuncion, Paraguay in all classes.
-Flights to Buenos Aires, Argentina in all classes.
-Flights to Santiago, Chile in all classes.
-Flights to Montevideo, Uruguay in all classes.

UA KSML availability:

-EWR-SFO in J
-EWR-LAX in J
-BOS-SFO in J
-Flights between the US mainland or Guam and Hawaii in J or F.
-Flights to Europe or Asia in all classes.
-Flights to Argentina, Brazil, Chile and Peru in all classes.

Please Include:
Airline:
Class:
Route:
Caterer:
Hechsher:
Flight date:
Meal in pics:
Stogel-Hermolis Scale Score (1-10):

Stogel-Hermolis Scale:
1. Inedible, wouldn't feed to a dog. (Stogel [long-life])
2. Disgusting, would only eat if starving
3. Barely edible, would only eat if very hungry
4. Below average, but would eat if hungry (Stogel [fresh-frozen])
5. Average/typical KSML, would eat if hungry (Borenstein?)
6. Above average KSML (Borenstein?)
7. A good KSML, might even eat if not hungry.
8. A very good KSML
9. An excellent KSML, could pass for something served in a decent restaurant.
10. Top of the line KSML, would be happy eating this at a decent restaurant. (Hermolis)


AirlineRouteClassMeal
BALHR-JFKJDinner
BALHR-PRGJBreakfast
CM           TGU-PTY          J              Lunch
CM           PTY-JK          J              Dinner
CO           EWR-TLV          BF              Dinner
COEWR-TLVBFBreakfast
COHNL-EWRBFDinner
COHNL-EWRBFBreakfast
COIAH-HNLBFLunch
COIAH-HNLBFSnack
LHFRA-VCEJSnack
LXORD-ZRHFDinner
LXZRH-TLVYDinner
SNBRU-VCEJBreakfast
SNTLV-BRUJDinner
SNTLV-BRUJBreakfast
TPJFK-LISYDin/Break
TPLIS-JFKYDinner



United Airlines
USA-Australia routes (economy): Koshair, O-U, Hamotzi, CS.
USA-Sydney  (First): Regal - meat and chicken meals.
Australia-USA routes (economy): Lewis Continental, K-A, Hamotzi, CY.
LH EWR-FRA Y Regal Chicken
LH MUC-EWR Y Sohar Hot meat meal and cold sandwich
LH FRA-VIE C Sohar Cold Meal (fish)
OS VIE TLV C VIE Local Co (hechser Rabbi Schwartz) Hot
US TLV PHL C Hamasbia
UA(CO) EWR-TLV Y Regal Beef meal (2010)
SA JNB-CPT-JNB Y Hot Meal from Joburg Beth Din
MN(BA) JNB-VFA Meal from Joburg Beth Din
SQ JFK-FRA Suites very poor Borenstein meal, labeled business class, chicken, no real dishes, very little food.
EK SYD-AKL  F    Lewis, no hot meal.
NZ AKL-LAX  Y    Gray's deli, fish meal.
TK CPT-IST  J/Y    Norries Caterers - CPT Beth Din - Milk Snack (Sandwich & Muffin CPT-JNB leg) Meat Dinner, Milk breakfast
« Last edited by zow on May 22, 2019, 02:37:01 PM »

Author Topic: KSML (Kosher Airline Meals) Master Thread  (Read 703897 times)

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Re: KSML (Kosher Airline Meals) Master Thread
« Reply #1580 on: June 05, 2018, 04:35:47 PM »
requested the KSML on UA 954/955 in Y and was wondering who caters the meal from  SFO-TLV and TLV-SFO. Is the meal larger than the regular meal? What  type of dinner is served after takeoff from SFO midflight snack and breakfast before landing at TLV? On the return what dinner .idflight snack and breakfast can I expect. Someone told me its Regal Borenstein from SFO and Hamasbia from TLV. Are the meals like EL AL  Y? Does UA combine the J/Y meals?

I am  not religious but order the KSML for its safety and its better quality over the regular meals. .

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Safety?
Quality?

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Re: KSML (Kosher Airline Meals) Master Thread
« Reply #1581 on: June 05, 2018, 04:36:15 PM »
requested the KSML on UA 954/955 in Y and was wondering who caters the meal from  SFO-TLV and TLV-SFO. Is the meal larger than the regular meal? What  type of dinner is served after takeoff from SFO midflight snack and breakfast before landing at TLV? On the return what dinner .idflight snack and breakfast can I expect. Someone told me its Regal Borenstein from SFO and Hamasbia from TLV. Are the meals like EL AL  Y? Does UA combine the J/Y meals?

I am  not religious but order the KSML for its safety and its better quality over the regular meals. .

Todah Rabah
I wouldn't have thought the Kosher meal is better. Half the time the food is still frozen!

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Re: KSML (Kosher Airline Meals) Master Thread
« Reply #1582 on: June 05, 2018, 04:41:48 PM »
Can't imagine Y and J get same meal. That's insane!
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Re: KSML (Kosher Airline Meals) Master Thread
« Reply #1583 on: June 05, 2018, 06:30:15 PM »
I wouldn't have thought the Kosher meal is better. Half the time the food is still frozen!

Well if its served frozen or is a Stogel cat food meal then how can a Rabbi even supervise such a tasteless meal and offer the Proper Kosher Certification?  If its all about the money and the quality suffers well then whats the point of a Kosher meal?  I understand that we have difference levels of observances but we can all agree that a frozen meal is abysmal . I hope the flight attendants would be trained better on how to heat the meal.

I have had some really good Y  KSMLs  on Lufthansa(Sohar's) Air France, El AL. On one LH flight from TLV I got  a bottle of Israeli wine(I think it was Yarden) and another delicious salmon!  Hermolis was the best on BA! I even had a warm bagel and rugaleh on Lufthansa in Y   

 I get the KSML as the safety comes from it being less likely to be tampered with especially after  passengers finding a needle in their airline meal to the other meals causing salmonella Now I know that any food can  cause a foodborne  illness but less likely with the KSML.   Also being served first is good .  I try to avoid the Asian meals due to not being able to process tofu etc. 


Does anyone here have a sample of United Y KSMLs catered by Regal/Borenstein and Hmasbia? Thanks again for your replies.

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Re: KSML (Kosher Airline Meals) Master Thread
« Reply #1584 on: June 05, 2018, 06:31:46 PM »
Can't imagine Y and J get same meal. That's insane!

 On some of my KSMLs I saw a Y/J Hot Dinner/ Hot Breakfast.  Anyone know why?

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Re: KSML (Kosher Airline Meals) Master Thread
« Reply #1585 on: June 06, 2018, 12:29:14 AM »
What meal get served on PS232/231?
What Hechsher does it have?

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Re: KSML (Kosher Airline Meals) Master Thread
« Reply #1586 on: June 06, 2018, 03:13:20 AM »
Well if its served frozen or is a Stogel cat food meal then how can a Rabbi even supervise such a tasteless meal and offer the Proper Kosher Certification?
Is this a real question? Either you have a fundamental misunderstanding of kashrus or you're just trolling.
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Re: KSML (Kosher Airline Meals) Master Thread
« Reply #1587 on: June 06, 2018, 07:01:43 AM »


Well if its served frozen or is a Stogel cat food meal then how can a Rabbi even supervise such a tasteless meal and offer the Proper Kosher Certification?  If its all about the money and the quality suffers well then whats the point of a Kosher meal?
There happens to be cat food with a kosher certification. Kashrus agencies aren't quality control or taste testers. At least not the Orthodox ones. There are other kosher certifications that actually do similar to that although those that hold of them also hold of no certification at all.
The point of a kosher meal is precisely that, kosher.

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Re: KSML (Kosher Airline Meals) Master Thread
« Reply #1588 on: June 07, 2018, 01:22:38 PM »
Was super unimpressed with SFO-MEX on United, they said no kosher meal even in biz! Come on! Whatever, it is shorter flight than SFO-EWR, but that is still not cool IMHO. They essentially view MEX like IAH or DEN.

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Re: KSML (Kosher Airline Meals) Master Thread
« Reply #1589 on: June 07, 2018, 02:09:19 PM »
Was super unimpressed with SFO-MEX on United, they said no kosher meal even in biz! Come on! Whatever, it is shorter flight than SFO-EWR, but that is still not cool IMHO. They essentially view MEX like IAH or DEN.
Needs to be 2K+ miles. I was happy they changed it from PS only to 2K+ miles just before I flew CLE-SFO in J. The FA was shocked to see a KSML on that route.
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Re: KSML (Kosher Airline Meals) Master Thread
« Reply #1590 on: June 07, 2018, 02:21:50 PM »
Needs to be 2K+ miles. I was happy they changed it from PS only to 2K+ miles just before I flew CLE-SFO in J. The FA was shocked to see a KSML on that route.
Yeah, 1881 versus 2k, I get out, rules are rules.

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Re: KSML (Kosher Airline Meals) Master Thread
« Reply #1591 on: June 07, 2018, 02:25:58 PM »
Yeah, 1881 versus 2k, I get out, rules are rules.
Rules are rules, but no reason to not write them an email to complain.
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Re: KSML (Kosher Airline Meals) Master Thread
« Reply #1592 on: June 07, 2018, 03:06:45 PM »
Needs to be 2K+ miles. I was happy they changed it from PS only to 2K+ miles just before I flew CLE-SFO in J. The FA was shocked to see a KSML on that route.


So ..flying lufthansa J jfk-fra ..im in terminal 1 senator lounge.. and i was getting water  which is near the KOSHER WINE!!!  Barkan white and Barkan merlow..will post pix of the food in J if i can figure out how to do that.  Also i just asked the head chef in the lounge and they said they in fact would be able to get me some kosher food..if i were to tell them in advance.  “Simone” said to ask lh on the phone and then they will forward the request to them in the lounge..I guess next time I fly them Ill try that.
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Re: KSML (Kosher Airline Meals) Master Thread
« Reply #1593 on: June 17, 2018, 01:51:50 AM »
http://www.ojrinstitute.org/
New polling service, they claim that we are not properly represented since theres no scientific data of our community and that's what they want to change, they ask in the questioner what airline do you prefer, do you eat cholov acum.... They don't ask what ksml would you prefer and dansdeals is not be of the options "how frequently do you or your immediate family member visit the following websites?".
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Re: KSML (Kosher Airline Meals) Master Thread
« Reply #1594 on: June 18, 2018, 10:18:49 PM »
Anyone know what to Expect on Avianca flights in J?

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Re: KSML (Kosher Airline Meals) Master Thread
« Reply #1595 on: June 19, 2018, 05:34:27 AM »
Anyone know what to Expect on Avianca flights in J?

This was in J.

AV served Stogel meals - packed in January 2017 - on CUZ-BOG and BOG-JFK.

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Re: KSML (Kosher Airline Meals) Master Thread
« Reply #1596 on: June 19, 2018, 07:00:12 AM »
This was in J.
Thanks. Now I know to expect not to eat

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Re: KSML (Kosher Airline Meals) Master Thread
« Reply #1597 on: June 19, 2018, 11:36:43 AM »
http://www.ojrinstitute.org/
New polling service, they claim that we are not properly represented since theres no scientific data of our community and that's what they want to change, they ask in the questioner what airline do you prefer, do you eat cholov acum.... They don't ask what ksml would you prefer and dansdeals is not be of the options "how frequently do you or your immediate family member visit the following websites?".
They ask if you eat cholov akum?!
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Re: KSML (Kosher Airline Meals) Master Thread
« Reply #1598 on: June 21, 2018, 01:29:24 PM »
Anyone have any KSML pics from AF, KL, or LH from YUL?
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Re: KSML (Kosher Airline Meals) Master Thread
« Reply #1599 on: June 21, 2018, 01:50:18 PM »
Anyone have any KSML pics from AF, KL, or LH from YUL?
My friend was on AF and said it was the best KSML he ever had, but he doesn't have pics and doesn't know which caterer it was.