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Roundup Of Routes Where Kosher Meals Are Served By North American Airlines - http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/89484

Here's a google docs where people could input their inflight kashrus experience :
http://kshr.us/KosherMeals 


AA KSML availability:

-Most domestic routes where meals are served (in J or F)
-Flights to Europe or Asia in all classes.
-Flights to Belo Horizonte, Brasilia, Porto Alegre, Recife, Rio de Janeiro, Salvador, Sao Paulo, Brazil in all classes.
-Flights to Asuncion, Paraguay in all classes.
-Flights to Buenos Aires, Argentina in all classes.
-Flights to Santiago, Chile in all classes.
-Flights to Montevideo, Uruguay in all classes.

UA KSML availability:

-EWR-SFO in J
-EWR-LAX in J
-BOS-SFO in J
-Flights between the US mainland or Guam and Hawaii in J or F.
-Flights to Europe or Asia in all classes.
-Flights to Argentina, Brazil, Chile and Peru in all classes.

Please Include:
Airline:
Class:
Route:
Caterer:
Hechsher:
Flight date:
Meal in pics:
Stogel-Hermolis Scale Score (1-10):

Stogel-Hermolis Scale:
1. Inedible, wouldn't feed to a dog. (Stogel [long-life])
2. Disgusting, would only eat if starving
3. Barely edible, would only eat if very hungry
4. Below average, but would eat if hungry (Stogel [fresh-frozen])
5. Average/typical KSML, would eat if hungry (Borenstein?)
6. Above average KSML (Borenstein?)
7. A good KSML, might even eat if not hungry.
8. A very good KSML
9. An excellent KSML, could pass for something served in a decent restaurant.
10. Top of the line KSML, would be happy eating this at a decent restaurant. (Hermolis)


AirlineRouteClassMeal
BALHR-JFKJDinner
BALHR-PRGJBreakfast
CM           TGU-PTY          J              Lunch
CM           PTY-JK          J              Dinner
CO           EWR-TLV          BF              Dinner
COEWR-TLVBFBreakfast
COHNL-EWRBFDinner
COHNL-EWRBFBreakfast
COIAH-HNLBFLunch
COIAH-HNLBFSnack
LHFRA-VCEJSnack
LXORD-ZRHFDinner
LXZRH-TLVYDinner
SNBRU-VCEJBreakfast
SNTLV-BRUJDinner
SNTLV-BRUJBreakfast
TPJFK-LISYDin/Break
TPLIS-JFKYDinner



United Airlines
USA-Australia routes (economy): Koshair, O-U, Hamotzi, CS.
USA-Sydney  (First): Regal - meat and chicken meals.
Australia-USA routes (economy): Lewis Continental, K-A, Hamotzi, CY.
LH EWR-FRA Y Regal Chicken
LH MUC-EWR Y Sohar Hot meat meal and cold sandwich
LH FRA-VIE C Sohar Cold Meal (fish)
OS VIE TLV C VIE Local Co (hechser Rabbi Schwartz) Hot
US TLV PHL C Hamasbia
UA(CO) EWR-TLV Y Regal Beef meal (2010)
SA JNB-CPT-JNB Y Hot Meal from Joburg Beth Din
MN(BA) JNB-VFA Meal from Joburg Beth Din
SQ JFK-FRA Suites very poor Borenstein meal, labeled business class, chicken, no real dishes, very little food.
EK SYD-AKL  F    Lewis, no hot meal.
NZ AKL-LAX  Y    Gray's deli, fish meal.
TK CPT-IST  J/Y    Norries Caterers - CPT Beth Din - Milk Snack (Sandwich & Muffin CPT-JNB leg) Meat Dinner, Milk breakfast
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Re: KSML (Kosher Airline Meals) Master Thread
« Reply #200 on: May 06, 2014, 07:49:41 PM »
Can you inagine the outrage for discrimination against kosher eaters.

You're nuts
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Re: KSML (Kosher Airline Meals) Master Thread
« Reply #201 on: May 06, 2014, 08:03:39 PM »
Discrimination? Are you kidding me?

They owe us nothing.

Otherwise go complain to SPG for discriminating against orthodox plats for not having KSML brekkies.

And you don't need to "live in NYC" to bring a double wrapped kosher meal. Sheesh.

If SPG served meals for Halal, Vegan, Hindu, low carb, fat and sodium, and all others and not Kosher we'd have what to complain about.

The meal is bundled into the fare. They are selling a seat on the plane including a meal. They offer Kosher, and I as a kosher consumer gave a right to demand an edible meal.

You are correct that you don't have to "live in NYC" to bring a double wrapped meal. However when running to catch a flight straight from the office, or on a return flight where there are no kosher options, then what?


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Re: KSML (Kosher Airline Meals) Master Thread
« Reply #202 on: May 06, 2014, 08:04:06 PM »
You're nuts

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Re: KSML (Kosher Airline Meals) Master Thread
« Reply #203 on: May 06, 2014, 09:24:43 PM »
Stop ordering KSML and they'll just scrub it altogether due to lack of interest
Isn't that the point? To put pressure on the kosher caterers?

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Re: KSML (Kosher Airline Meals) Master Thread
« Reply #204 on: May 06, 2014, 09:32:49 PM »
Even if Jews tried to pressure Borenstein and Co. to repent and turn a new leaf by not ordering KSMLs, it wouldn't matter.

The airlines would still order and keep these guys in business, because, politically, airlines offering "meals for Halal, Vegan, Hindu, low carb" etc etc and not Kosher is a sticky issue, right or wrong.
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Re: KSML (Kosher Airline Meals) Master Thread
« Reply #205 on: May 06, 2014, 09:49:09 PM »
UA already got rid of all SMLs on EWR-LAX in F.
How far do you think they really are from getting rid of SMLs systemwide except destinations like BOM and TLV? Just a matter of who blinks first.  SMLs have been dying a slow death for years.

And how many people would really care if they did?
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Re: KSML (Kosher Airline Meals) Master Thread
« Reply #206 on: May 06, 2014, 10:07:06 PM »
Domestic. Not as large of an issue.

Every respected airline I know of offers Kosher on international routes.
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Re: KSML (Kosher Airline Meals) Master Thread
« Reply #207 on: May 06, 2014, 10:09:54 PM »
Won't be too long before meals are sold internationally in coach. Nobody buys coach airfare for the food, thus it's not a differentiator and will be next on the chopping board.
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Re: KSML (Kosher Airline Meals) Master Thread
« Reply #208 on: May 06, 2014, 10:52:17 PM »
Life isn't about checking the boxes. Nobody cares.

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Re: KSML (Kosher Airline Meals) Master Thread
« Reply #209 on: May 06, 2014, 11:33:26 PM »
Even if Jews tried to pressure Borenstein and Co. to repent and turn a new leaf by not ordering KSMLs, it wouldn't matter.

The airlines would still order and keep these guys in business, because, politically, airlines offering "meals for Halal, Vegan, Hindu, low carb" etc etc and not Kosher is a sticky issue, right or wrong.

They will only order meals based on the volume of meals requested. If we got the word out for the people to take a stand they would see a decline in volume pretty quickly.

UA already got rid of all SMLs on EWR-LAX in F.
How far do you think they really are from getting rid of SMLs systemwide except destinations like BOM and TLV? Just a matter of who blinks first.  SMLs have been dying a slow death for years.

And how many people would really care if they did?

There would be huge lawsuits if they didn't offer an option for every denomination. It would be all or none, and I don't see the airlines alienating all Jews, Muslims, Hindu, Diabetics etc.

Won't be too long before meals are sold internationally in coach. Nobody buys coach airfare for the food, thus it's not a differentiator and will be next on the chopping board.

Nobody buys any airfare for the food. You take somebody anywhere for a significant amount of time, you are expected to serve food. Once they are serving food, they should serve edible food.

They will never get rid of the meal service on international travel, it generates revenue by getting folks to purchase premium beverages. The next step will be offering an upgraded meal for a charge. 

I'm tired of being taken advantage of by Borenstien, Regal and the like.

I think just delusional

I don't think you're giving me a fair chance.

Having flown 75,000 miles this year both domestic and international, I have had a chance to taste the best and worst of KSML. The food they serve on the US carriers is a disgrace. It wont take much for change to happen. The caterers depend on the consumer ordering their food to make a living. The same way we would never revisit a restaurant that served utter crap, we should petition for higher standards!

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Re: KSML (Kosher Airline Meals) Master Thread
« Reply #210 on: May 07, 2014, 12:27:58 AM »
I think just delusional
Nah. Some weird entitlement
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Re: KSML (Kosher Airline Meals) Master Thread
« Reply #211 on: May 07, 2014, 03:04:58 AM »
We should make the board members of the airlines eat this food.
Airlines sending me "We're in this together" emails.

Bruh, where were you when my suitcase weighed it 51.50 pounds?

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Re: KSML (Kosher Airline Meals) Master Thread
« Reply #212 on: May 07, 2014, 08:29:56 AM »
Nah. Some weird entitlement
Agreed.
But delusional about the fact that the media will care
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Re: KSML (Kosher Airline Meals) Master Thread
« Reply #213 on: May 07, 2014, 08:42:42 AM »
We should make the board members of the airlines eat this food.

They would never subject themselves to eating something so vile. Which is what tells me that it's time for an overhaul.

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Re: KSML (Kosher Airline Meals) Master Thread
« Reply #214 on: May 07, 2014, 08:52:18 AM »
Nah. Some weird entitlement

Have you ever sent back food at a restaurant? How about returned spoiled milk to the grocery? Or how about returned a shirt because it didn't fit well, or you just didnt like it?

Does that make you entitled? When you purchase something do yiu not have the right to expect a satisfactory product?

Why should an airline meal be any different?


Agreed.
But delusional about the fact that the media will care

I ask you the same as I asked PG above.

We dont need this to be picked up by Reuters. We are a farily insular community, and if VIN, or DD, or even some local community weekly circular wrote about it the message would be heard.

In order to make that happen we need to band together and make enough noise. An imposed hunger strike would accomplish that in less than a week.

So be cynical all you want. I'm standing up for something I belive in.

Frankly unless your name is Borenstien or Regal I'm not sure how you are all not joining my call to action.

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Re: KSML (Kosher Airline Meals) Master Thread
« Reply #215 on: May 07, 2014, 09:10:04 AM »
Not eating airline meals is not a hunger strike. And a small local paper picking this up or VIN, even if it would happen would accomplish nothing
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Re: KSML (Kosher Airline Meals) Master Thread
« Reply #216 on: May 07, 2014, 09:13:49 AM »
Not eating airline meals is not a hunger strike. And a small local paper picking this up or VIN, even if it would happen would accomplish nothing
I could see a Mishpachah article picking up on this and making a bit of a splash (err a ripple)

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Re: KSML (Kosher Airline Meals) Master Thread
« Reply #217 on: May 07, 2014, 10:19:55 AM »
Won't be too long before meals are sold internationally in coach. Nobody buys coach airfare for the food, thus it's not a differentiator and will be next on the chopping board.

Meh.

To say that "nobody buys coach airfare for the food" and that therefore leads to it "not being a differentiator" is an improper leap.

Food vs no food in coach is a very real differentiator. The airline that decides to takes that jump is in for a ride.
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Re: KSML (Kosher Airline Meals) Master Thread
« Reply #218 on: May 07, 2014, 10:39:34 AM »
If it didn't matter EWR-LAX in first it won't matter EWR-LHR in coach.

This is not an if situation but a when situation.
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Re: KSML (Kosher Airline Meals) Master Thread
« Reply #219 on: May 07, 2014, 10:41:05 AM »
If it didn't matter EWR-LAX in first it won't matter EWR-LHR in coach.

This is not an if situation but a when situation.
That is nuts, What they should really offer is an upgraded kosher meal for 20$ or something.
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