Alternate Side Parking Ticket in NYC

[efflpetzel]

that's the price of living in the empire state, they suck out ur blood till u drop dead

[noturbizniss]

After years of drilling it, the City makes you believe that you DESERVE a ticket. You dont. Alternate side cleaning is over-hyped. There's no reason in the world you should pay $45 for forgetting to move your car in an early morning rush. TWICE A WEEK??!!
Even parking by a pump, while i do understand the repercussions, there is no way to justify $110 etc etc.
So if there is any chance you can get a discount or the ticket totally dismissed, by all means, go for it. I see no MORAL obligation to pay. Its a money making law, not a moral one, just like you would try to haggle/coupon/promo for a better price with Jet Blue, Amazon etc without any moral reservations....
M2C

Ok, so what do you propose the fine is? $2 for alternate side and $3 for a pump?  Then nobody will move their cars.  The tickets are penalties/fines, not repercussions.  The inherent purpose is not that the city loses $45 by you not moving your car, but that you will follow the rule if it will cost you $45 not to.  New Yorkers don't care and would be willing to eat a few dollars here and there  if that allowed them to park anywhere.

The bigger issue is that half the pumps in the city don't even work.  That should not be a fine.

[Avid Reader]

Sorry, ticket's have very little to do with NY'ers not caring to move their car. It is a dirty way for the city to make money.
Just last week as i went to move my car back to the right side of the street after alternate side parking was over at 1:30, I saw 2 cops racing to give out tickets to the cars still double parked on the other side. It was exactly 1:30. Because these people cared to move their cars for street cleaning, they got themselves a $115 ticket! it would have been cheaper to just not move their cars and pay the $45 ticket. Totally insane.

[Dan]

It's a democracy.  If you don't like it you can make a "fines are too darn high" party or move to anywhere else in the country where they don't make money off their citizens in such an underhanded manner.
Or just suffer and complain about it here I guess?

[yuneeq]

It's a democracy.  If you don't like it you can make a "fines are too darn high" party or move to anywhere else in the country where they don't make money off their citizens in such an underhanded manner.
Or just suffer and complain about it here I guess?

It ain't a democracy. That would mean that the residents voted on the issue and decided to instate such high fines.

For those not in the know, America isn't a democratic country, its a federal republic.

The only thing democratic in our country is that we are able to vote for people that make the rules for all of us.

[AJK]

It ain't a democracy. That would mean that the residents voted on the issue and decided to instate such high fines.

That's splitting hairs to a degree that I don't believe it'd pass the "pink in the face" test.

The fact of the matter is that if you don't like the parking tickets, you need to argue with your vote.

Vote for someone who wants to change parking tickets, or reduce them. Or run yourself.

[RoboJam]

Ok, so what do you propose the fine is? $2 for alternate side and $3 for a pump?  Then nobody will move their cars.  The tickets are penalties/fines, not repercussions.  The inherent purpose is not that the city loses $45 by you not moving your car, but that you will follow the rule if it will cost you $45 not to.  New Yorkers don't care and would be willing to eat a few dollars here and there  if that allowed them to park anywhere.

The bigger issue is that half the pumps in the city don't even work.  That should not be a fine.

My issue with street cleaning is this: Once a week for each side is too often!!! Makes me a potential ticket victim twice a week. The timing is also preposterous!! 8:30-10 AM (in my area) is the most hectic time of the day as it is (Shachris, Kids buses.....) 


4 Hydrants per block is also bit much, but i may get killed on that one.

It's a democracy.  If you don't like it you can make a "fines are too darn high" party or move to anywhere else in the country where they don't make money off their citizens in such an underhanded manner.
Or just suffer and complain about it here I guess?

Not complaining, its the life i chose. Ill just never feel like I deserved it and just pay the ticket, if i think there's any chance i can wiggle out of it, i take that shot.

[RoboJam]

I think its high time that City officials reevaluate the alternate side street cleaning rules, timings and the actual need vs consequences for US THE PEOPLE. If its in fact NOT a money making law (like some of you claim) but rather a necessity to keep the city streets clean, there should be a way a better way that works.

[yuneeq]

That's splitting hairs to a degree that I don't believe it'd pass the "pink in the face" test.

The fact of the matter is that if you don't like the parking tickets, you need to argue with your vote.

Vote for someone who wants to change parking tickets, or reduce them. Or run yourself.

Not splitting hairs at all. There's nothing democratic at all about high fines. There is absolutely no way for the people to vote on the high fines. You say that we vote on candidates. Though many people have higher priorities than the high fines. Doesn't mean that high fines were set in a democratic fashion by any degree.

What about the suggestion about moving to the other side of the country?

By that definition, China is also a democracy because you can always leave to somewhere better if you don't like something.

[RoboJam]

Not splitting hairs at all. There's nothing democratic at all about high fines. There is absolutely no way for the people to vote on the high fines. You say that we vote on candidates. Though many people have higher priorities than the high fines. Doesn't mean that high fines were set in a democratic fashion by any degree.

What about the suggestion about moving to the other side of the country?

By that definition, China is also a democracy because you can always leave to somewhere better if you don't like something.

+1

[AJK]

Not splitting hairs at all. There's nothing democratic at all about high fines. There is absolutely no way for the people to vote on the high fines. You say that we vote on candidates. Though many people have higher priorities than the high fines. Doesn't mean that high fines were set in a democratic fashion by any degree.

The fact that some people/candidates have higher priorities than parking fines does not negate the fact that your vote dictates who makes those decisions.

As I said, if you don't like the priorities of the people you're voting for, vote for someone else.

Or, start campaigning.

[yuneeq]

The fact that some people/candidates have higher priorities than parking fines does not negate the fact that your vote dictates who makes those decisions.

As I said, if you don't like the priorities of the people you're voting for, vote for someone else.

Or, start campaigning.

The fact that you think, that the difference between representing myself and someone else representing me along with millions others, is so minute, that it would be more fun to split hairs, shows that you have not one iota of political knowledge.

Additionally, I'm guessing you know that you have free will only because you voted for someone else that does.

[AJK]

It's readily apparent you have some deep-seated distaste for the United States' democratic republican form of government.

Guess what! Here, too, you have a choice:

1) Vote for representatives who will change the United States from a democratic republican form of government to one of pure democracy;
2) Campaign on that platform, win, and convince your fellow representatives to substitute the democratic republican form of government to one of pure democracy; or
3) Leave the democratic republic for "greener pastures."

[U-no-me!]

It's readily apparent you have some deep-seated distaste for the United States' democratic republican form of government.

Guess what! Here, too, you have a choice:

1) Vote for representatives who will change the United States from a democratic republican form of government to one of pure democracy;
2) Campaign on that platform, win, and convince your fellow representatives to substitute the democratic republican form of government to one of pure democracy; or
3) Leave the democratic republic for "greener pastures."

Oh c'mon, Puhleeeze, Someone can disagree with you without him becoming an anti american, no?

[Avid Reader]

It's a democracy.  If you don't like it you can make a "fines are too darn high" party or move to anywhere else in the country where they don't make money off their citizens in such an underhanded manner.
Or just suffer and complain about it here I guess?

Dan, I aint moving out of NYC for this... it will be for better reasons if I move. I'm not running for office either.
Anything practical that can be done aside from good ole gaming the system? the fines arent likely to be lowered even with a new Mayer in office, but other things can be changed. Any ideas?

[yuneeq]

It's readily apparent you have some deep-seated distaste for the United States' federal republic form of government

FTFY

Why do you say that? Because I call a spade a spade?

Someone using broad definition strokes (like the ones you take for granted), would prefer defining America as stage 1 Communism (socialism) more than a democracy.

But hey, this is a forum, where every liberal can post their knee-jerk defenses, while relying on the usual ad hominem attacks to keep more knowledgeable people from responding. I guess Freedom of Speech has its price too.

[AJK]

Why do you say that? Because I call a spade a spade?

I much like calling a spade a spade, and pointing out hypocrites in the process.

You have the gall to accuse me of ad-hominem attacks, yet out of the other side of your mouth you say "shows that you have not one iota of political knowledge."

Kettle calling the pot black, much?

Someone using broad definition strokes (like the ones you take for granted), would prefer defining America as stage 1 Communism (socialism) more than a democracy.

Yet again you fall prey to the apparently attractive pit that is conflating the the democratic process by which we elect our representatives with the decisions those representatives make.

[AJK]

And, frankly, for all your bluster about "liberals" and their "knee-jerk defenses" and how America isn't a pure democracy, I am still unaware as to what your point is.

If your point is that America is not a pure democracy, we can stop right here, because I agree with you.

[yuneeq]

And, frankly, for all your bluster about "liberals" and their "knee-jerk defenses" and how America isn't a pure democracy, I am still unaware as to what your point is.

If your point is that America is not a pure democracy, we can stop right here, because I agree with you.

My point is that you felt I was being pedantic for saying that America isn't a democracy just because we have one democratic process. You said I was splitting hairs with my classifying America as a Federal Republic.

I am saying, that anyone with little political knowledge, would never get caught justifying the misclassification or misuse of a political term. For example, one may understand the political impact of classifying a terrorist as a militant or insurgent. The same applies to calling Israeli cities "settlements". There are thousands of examples, and I think you should be able figure out the concept on your own.

[AJK]

Fair enough, but Dan was (I assume) using the term "democracy" in its colloquial sense.

...just as is done and explained by many publications, examples of which are below (after a quick google search):


By popular usage, however, the word "democracy" come to mean a form of government in which the government derives its power from the people and is accountable to them for the use of that power. In this sense the United States might accurately be called a democracy.

"In everyday speech, people praise democracy as the most just form of government. What they mean by “democracy” is a regime in which free elections regularly take place and a government that protects the rights of all. Understood this way, America is a democracy, or to be more precise, a democratic republic."