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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #1620 on: November 23, 2023, 02:31:55 PM »
My mesorah is from the Chofetz Chaim.
What do you mean by this?
Do you actually think if a talmid were to show the Chofetz Chaim for example a Ralbag that says otherwise he would actually change his shittah?
What about if someone showed him the ביאור הלכה in סימן רי״ח? ;)

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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #1621 on: November 23, 2023, 10:31:04 PM »
I'm assuming you're specifically referring to ~30:39 where he says the chovos halevovos and r saadia is talking about in a case where there already is a gezeira.
There's always a gezeira on a person from rosh Hashanah.
Heís is saying there isnít necessarily a gezairah from RH, thatís his point. Or said otherwise it was nigzar on RH that he die because someone decided to kill him and he didnít have enough merit to be saved. Itís effectively the same thing, bottom line is that without that guys choice to kill him he neednít have died.
He's effectively saying that there is no such opinion that says a baal bechira can't affect another person. (And if there was such an opinion he wouldn't know how to answer the dilemma.)
He was madcha some source but there are others that are quite explicit, famously the Gra who insisted that a Baal bechira does not have the power to kill some one who isnít supposed to die anyways.

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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #1622 on: November 24, 2023, 12:50:17 AM »
Heís is saying there isnít necessarily a gezairah from RH, thatís his point. Or said otherwise it was nigzar on RH that he die because someone decided to kill him and he didnít have enough merit to be saved. Itís effectively the same thing, bottom line is that without that guys choice to kill him he neednít have died
I'm not sure how you see that.
He didn't mention anything about rosh hashana.
How can there not be a gezeira on rosh hashana?
Whats the chovos halevovos point in saying this? What would I think differently?
And why does he later say not to drink poison only because you shouldn't test god? What did he say previously that would make me think it's ok to drink poison?
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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #1623 on: November 24, 2023, 07:09:38 AM »
I'm not sure how you see that.
He didn't mention anything about rosh hashana.
How can there not be a gezeira on rosh hashana?
There wasn't a gzeirah that he needs to die irrespective of the bad guys choice, it was nigzar on RH that he won't be saved from the killers intent to harm him.

Whats the chovos halevovos point in saying this? What would I think differently?
I don't understand this question. To our eyes it always appears like someone somebody initiated us harm, when in reality it was due to us anyways 99.99% of the time. (I don't think he did full justice to the Chovos Halevavos).

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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #1624 on: November 24, 2023, 08:47:27 AM »
A strong critique of Rabbi Shreiber without resorting to name calling
https://iyun.org.il/sedersheni/between-separation-and-alienation/

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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #1625 on: November 24, 2023, 10:12:14 AM »
I don't understand this question. To our eyes it always appears like someone somebody initiated us harm, when in reality it was due to us anyways 99.99% of the time. (I don't think he did full justice to the Chovos Halevavos).
I just needed clarification so we're both on the same page on what he's saying. It wasnt a shver kasha. It was just different then how I understood it so I wanted clarification.

But I think my other question does stand. Why did he say the following part? What did he say previously that would make me think otherwise? The whole thing just doesnt sound like r tatz interpretation.


Does that question make sense?

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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #1626 on: November 24, 2023, 12:39:20 PM »
I just needed clarification so we're both on the same page on what he's saying. It wasnt a shver kasha. It was just different then how I understood it so I wanted clarification.

But I think my other question does stand. Why did he say the following part? What did he say previously that would make me think otherwise? The whole thing just doesnt sound like r tatz interpretation.
I agree that his explanation of the CH is completely incompatible to what the CH says.

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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #1627 on: November 25, 2023, 11:38:38 PM »
If you can find seforim that say otherwise, very nice. But it doesnít mean anything. The litvish yeshivos followed the Chovos Halevovos.
The Alter of Kelm and Rav Dovid Cohen Shlita (RY Chevron) mustíve missed the memo :)


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Re: Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)
« Reply #1628 on: November 28, 2023, 04:52:36 PM »
Audio Machaa by Rav Aaron Ehrenfeld about divrei kefira that was said on a popular show featuring various guests

https://vocaroo.com/embed/1cZ5TdR8xYif
Seems that some גדולי ישראל have expressed similar sentiments to RMF? Quoted here