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Re: NHL Master Thread
« Reply #3040 on: October 29, 2021, 06:00:21 PM »
https://www.tsn.ca/sopel-former-blackhawks-teammates-should-be-telling-the-truth-publicly-about-assault-allegations-1.1667495

I don't hold the players responsible for reporting it back then, but I hold some responsible for insulting him back then, and hold all players responsible to report what they knew about the story in 2021 when the lawsuits surfaced and were denied publicly by everyone connected to the blackhawks. Especially the captain, who has gone on record (after the report) defending management and pretending that he knew nothing about anything. Take responsibility and move forward in the right direction. Even the team and owner has apologized now and is trying to correct things, bad motivations or otherwise.
You can believe who you want. The guy you quoted did nothing with what he knew. Also your info on Toews is just wrong.
“I don’t wish to exonerate myself in this situation in any way by saying I didn’t know,” Toews said. “But the truth is that I had not heard about it until training camp the next year. ... Doesn’t change what happened. It doesn’t take that away. ... We wish we could’ve done something differently, myself included. My heart goes out to Kyle for what he dealt with. I wish I could’ve done something.

If there was a Blackhawk, not Ice Hog that made these disgusting remarks then the victim needs to name names instead of throwing dirt on all of them.
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Re: NHL Master Thread
« Reply #3041 on: November 04, 2021, 02:03:58 AM »
You can believe who you want. The guy you quoted did nothing with what he knew.

Couldn't be more wrong. He corroborated the story instead of trying to bury it like the team leader. Without his corroboration this story had less legs.

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Also your info on Toews is just wrong.
“I don’t wish to exonerate myself in this situation in any way by saying I didn’t know,” Toews said. “But the truth is that I had not heard about it until training camp the next year. ... Doesn’t change what happened. It doesn’t take that away. ... We wish we could’ve done something differently, myself included. My heart goes out to Kyle for what he dealt with. I wish I could’ve done something.

"I don't wanna exonerate myself by saying I didn't know, but, but, but, but I will do that anyways." Mr Captain outright denying what multiple people testified - that everyone in the blackhawks locker room knew about it right away. Somehow the team leader wasn't privy to that information until months later. Oh, and the team leader still thinks that management is amazing and could not have done anything wrong, even after the team apologized for them.

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Re: NHL Master Thread
« Reply #3042 on: November 04, 2021, 11:08:05 AM »
Couldn't be more wrong. He corroborated the story instead of trying to bury it like the team leader. Without his corroboration this story had less legs.
For ten years he (Sopel) remained silent. Now he says everyone knew right away.
What did they know right away? Did they know there was allegations of misconduct? If so, so what.
Did they know what "all" the allegations were or how serious they were?

Toews says he knew about it the following training camp as others have said. You seem to be hung up on when they knew. It doesn't matter because there was nothing any player could have done at that time. The important issue is management knew at that time.
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Re: NHL Master Thread
« Reply #3043 on: November 04, 2021, 12:07:49 PM »
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nhl/jonathan-toews-says-his-comments-about-chicago-blackhawks-management-took-attention-away-from-kyle-beach/ar-AAQhJQt?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

Toews said he had no knowledge of Beach’s encounter with Aldrich until the following season’s training camp and denied Beach’s account that he was bullied by teammates and subjected to homophobic slurs, at least where the Hawks were concerned.

Who you believe Toews or Beach about the homophobic slurs? They most likely are both right as they are talking about different situations. The same thing that is going on here.
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Re: NHL Master Thread
« Reply #3044 on: November 05, 2021, 08:26:17 AM »
For ten years he (Sopel) remained silent. Now he says everyone knew right away.
What did they know right away? Did they know there was allegations of misconduct? If so, so what.
Did they know what "all" the allegations were or how serious they were?

Toews says he knew about it the following training camp as others have said. You seem to be hung up on when they knew. It doesn't matter because there was nothing any player could have done at that time. The important issue is management knew at that time.

Again, Beach finally tried in 2021 to get some justice for Aldrich and expose the team management involved in the cover up. He was laughed at, ridiculed and shot down. How can such a scandal happen with no witnesses when the victim is claiming tons of people knew about it? Then a couple players like Sopel gave the story legs when it was needed and helped expose the issue.

I said before -  it wasn’t the teammates responsibility to speak up back then, it was managements issue. But in 2021, when Beach is exposing managements mistakes, and management claims the story is fake - there were never any sexual assault claims buried, you’d expect the players to help confirm that Beach’s claims are not something new. First toews claims he didn’t know anything at all and now he supposedly knew about it for 10 years yet still was complicit in the coverup in 2021.

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Re: NHL Master Thread
« Reply #3045 on: November 05, 2021, 09:10:55 AM »
Again, Beach finally tried in 2021 to get some justice for Aldrich and expose the team management involved in the cover up. He was laughed at, ridiculed and shot down. How can such a scandal happen with no witnesses when the victim is claiming tons of people knew about it? Then a couple players like Sopel gave the story legs when it was needed and helped expose the issue.

I said before -  it wasn’t the teammates responsibility to speak up back then, it was managements issue. But in 2021, when Beach is exposing managements mistakes, and management claims the story is fake - there were never any sexual assault claims buried, you’d expect the players to help confirm that Beach’s claims are not something new. First toews claims he didn’t know anything at all and now he supposedly knew about it for 10 years yet still was complicit in the coverup in 2021.
This story broke because of the owners initiated an investigation not because of Sopel. This story has legs because of the investigation not because of Sopel.

You keep claiming Toews was involved in a cover-up without one single fact. You claim he said he never knew which is false. You need to backup these allegations instead of just repeating them.
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Re: NHL Master Thread
« Reply #3046 on: November 24, 2021, 11:04:28 PM »
Are the panthers legitimate contenders? 11-0-0 at home to start.

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Re: NHL Master Thread
« Reply #3047 on: November 25, 2021, 01:04:05 AM »
Are the panthers legitimate contenders? 11-0-0 at home to start.

They were also 10-0-1 before the Rangers beat them :)
To answer the question - they're a very strong team, but they've been there before and folded like a cheap suit. I don't consider them anything until they prove themselves in May.

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Re: NHL Master Thread
« Reply #3048 on: November 25, 2021, 10:33:47 AM »
Are the panthers legitimate contenders? 11-0-0 at home to start.
If coach Q was still there, I would say for sure.
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