Author Topic: Drinking on Purim (Read 8316 times)

Chaikel · « **Reply #40 on:** February 19, 2013, 06:55:03 PM »

Quote from: judahk88 on February 19, 2013, 06:54:09 PM

Doesnt make it right...

So you're saying because someone isn't so makpid on one mitzva, he should be weak on another?

judahk88 · « **Reply #41 on:** February 19, 2013, 06:58:23 PM »

Quote from: Chaikel on February 19, 2013, 06:55:03 PM

So you're saying because someone isn't so makpid on one mitzva, he should be weak on another?

The mitzvah is to drink on purim not to be throwing up in peoples yards. I am not saying one should not drink, but like I said one should not overdo it and drink until he passes out on the street.

Chaikel · « **Reply #42 on:** February 19, 2013, 07:00:32 PM »

Quote from: judahk88 on February 19, 2013, 06:58:23 PM

The mitzvah is to drink on purim not to be throwing up in peoples yards. I am not saying one should not drink, but like I said one should not overdo it and drink until he passes out on the street.

And you would be arguing with some achronim. Not that you're not allowed to, I'm just pointing it out

judahk88 · « **Reply #43 on:** February 19, 2013, 07:02:51 PM »

Quote from: Chaikel on February 19, 2013, 07:00:32 PM

And you would be arguing with some achronim. Not that you're not allowed to, I'm just pointing it out

Really achronim hold you should drink until you pass out and throw up all over someones yard?
I am not generalizing, but do you think that alot of kids/people overdo the drinking on purim?

Chaikel · « **Reply #44 on:** February 19, 2013, 07:05:38 PM »

Quote from: judahk88 on February 19, 2013, 07:02:51 PM

Really achronim hold you should drink until you pass out and throw up all over someones yard?
I am not generalizing, but do you think that alot of kids/people overdo the drinking on purim?

I'll have to find the exact mekor, but I once saw in an ealier achron that you have to drink until you "are rolling in the streets".

sky121 · « **Reply #45 on:** February 19, 2013, 07:07:37 PM »

Quote from: Chaikel on February 19, 2013, 06:55:03 PM

So you're saying because someone isn't so makpid on one mitzva, he should be weak on another?

There's a difference being more makpid on one mitzvah then just choosing do something cuz really its enjoyable for you so then all of a sudden its lshem mitzvah.

sky121 · « **Reply #46 on:** February 19, 2013, 07:09:24 PM »

Quote from: Chaikel on February 19, 2013, 07:05:38 PM

I'll have to find the exact mekor, but I once saw in an ealier achron that you have to drink until you "are rolling in the streets".

The problems with overdoing it is A WHOLE OTHER STORY.

And I believe that fulfilling a mitzvah is great but not at the expense of causing a chillul Hashem, no?

But again, that's a whole separate topic.

real-brisker · « **Reply #47 on:** February 19, 2013, 07:11:10 PM »

I was waiting for someone to say it's ASSUR to drink.

jj1000 · « **Reply #48 on:** February 19, 2013, 07:13:01 PM »

Quote from: Chaikel on February 19, 2013, 06:55:03 PM

So you're saying because someone isn't so makpid on one mitzva, he should be weak on another?

+1

@judahk88- Judaism isn't about all or nothing. I was always taught every mitzva and chumra counts. No?

Quote from: sky121 on February 19, 2013, 07:07:37 PM

There's a difference being more makpid on one mitzvah then just choosing do something cuz really its enjoyable for you so then all of a sudden its lshem mitzvah.

I said before lo lishma ba lishma is a concept. No?

judahk88 · « **Reply #49 on:** February 19, 2013, 07:29:29 PM »

Quote from: jj1000 on February 19, 2013, 07:13:01 PM

+1

@judahk88- Judaism isn't about all or nothing. I was always taught every mitzva and chumra counts. No?

100%. If someone is doing it for the sake of the mitzvah then yes, but a lot of people use the fact that it is a mitzvah to drink as an excuse to go out of control. Not everyone, but a lot. Again I am not against drinking on Purim at all I'm against the way some people do it that's all.

Chaikel · « **Reply #50 on:** February 19, 2013, 08:23:41 PM »

Quote from: judahk88 on February 19, 2013, 07:29:29 PM

100%. If someone is doing it for the sake of the mitzvah then yes, but a lot of people use the fact that it is a mitzvah to drink as an excuse to go out of control. Not everyone, but a lot. Again I am not against drinking on Purim at all I'm against the way some people do it that's all.

Quote from: jj1000 on February 19, 2013, 07:13:01 PM

I said before lo lishma ba lishma is a concept. No?

Chaikel · « **Reply #51 on:** February 19, 2013, 08:25:14 PM »

Quote from: sky121 on February 19, 2013, 07:09:24 PM

And I believe that fulfilling a mitzvah is great but not at the expense of causing a chillul Hashem, no?

But again, that's a whole separate topic.

PG can probably answer this better than me, but I don't believe you can make a chilul hashem by doing a mitzva. If someone is in a situation where davening might cause a CH, is he not supposed to daven?

sky121 · « **Reply #52 on:** February 19, 2013, 08:46:19 PM »

Quote from: Chaikel on February 19, 2013, 08:25:14 PM

PG can probably answer this better than me, but I don't believe you can make a chilul hashem by doing a mitzva. If someone is in a situation where davening might cause a CH, is he not supposed to daven?

I'm not talking might cause. I'm talking those who do cause.

judahk88 · « **Reply #53 on:** February 19, 2013, 08:51:03 PM »

Quote from: sky121 on February 19, 2013, 08:46:19 PM

I'm not talking might cause. I'm talking those who do cause.

+1

Ergel · « **Reply #54 on:** February 19, 2013, 08:51:53 PM »

Quote from: Chaikel on February 19, 2013, 08:25:14 PM

PG can probably answer this better than me, but I don't believe you can make a chilul hashem by doing a mitzva. If someone is in a situation where davening might cause a CH, is he not supposed to daven?

If you are doing something you are supposed to be going (with a psak, just because you think it's right doesn't necessarily mean that it is) and someone doesn't like it, that's not a chillul Hashem. But if you think/pretend/purport to do a mitzvah but you're not then for sure you can create a chillul Hashem

sky121 · « **Reply #55 on:** February 19, 2013, 08:59:28 PM »

Quote from: Ergel on February 19, 2013, 08:51:53 PM

If you are doing something you are supposed to be going (with a psak, just because you think it's right doesn't necessarily mean that it is) and someone doesn't like it, that's not a chillul Hashem. But if you think/pretend/purport to do a mitzvah but you're not then for sure you can create a chillul Hashem

Frum boys throwing up on the lawns in public and just walking around outside in public totally wasted seems like a chillul hashem to me.

jj1000 · « **Reply #56 on:** February 19, 2013, 09:01:28 PM »

Quote from: sky121 on February 19, 2013, 08:59:28 PM

Frum boys throwing up on the lawns in public and just walking around outside in public totally wasted seems like a chillul hashem to me.

what a girl

In truth I partially agree with you and do get disgusted how people can't handle their alcohol and get wasted in public or a random persons house. In suppose one advantage of being chabad is by now I know how to get drunk...

sky121 · « **Reply #57 on:** February 19, 2013, 09:04:25 PM »

Quote from: jj1000 on February 19, 2013, 09:01:28 PM

In suppose one advantage of being chabad is by now I know how to get drunk...

Ergel · « **Reply #58 on:** February 19, 2013, 09:06:36 PM »

Quote from: sky121 on February 19, 2013, 08:59:28 PM

Frum boys throwing up on the lawns in public and just walking around outside in public totally wasted seems like a chillul hashem to me.

Were you trying to disagree with me?

outsider · « **Reply #59 on:** February 19, 2013, 09:10:21 PM »

Quote from: jj1000 on February 19, 2013, 09:01:28 PM

what a girl

In truth I partially agree with you and do get disgusted how people can't handle their alcohol and get wasted in public or a random persons house. In suppose one advantage of being chabad is by now I know how to get drunk...

there is ersht a problem if you call it "drunk", those who become "shikur" do it lsheim mitzvah thus who come "drunk" do it lsheim drinking. Both are fine in my book I want to just show the difference.my additude is live and let live. If it does not shter you then let each person do what he wants.