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What are blockchains and bitcoins and what is the difference?
A blockchain is the fundamental element in a crypto currency system. A blockchain is an accounting ledger. Each block contains a bunch of journal entries (i.e. a chronological record of transactions) that gets encrypted (by miners) but can be downloaded and read by anyone on the network. Why the blockchain ledger is secure and how we can vouch for its integrity is a slightly more advanced topic.

An accounting ledger typically keeps track of money, and a blockchain is no different. But the only type of money that it can accurately track is digital money that lives on the blockchain network. So dollars, euros, etc are out. The digital money that lives on the blockchain is called a crypto currency, and the most well-known one at this time is Bitcoin.

Currently there are a few major blockchain networks: the Bitcoin Network, the Ethereum Network, and the Litecoin Network. Each one has its own currency, which are Bitcoin, Ether, and Litecoin, respectively.

I’m just a simple DDFer and not an accountant + cryptographer + hacker all at the same time. Can you make this a little simpler to understand?
Let’s try an analogy. There is a certain website called Dansdeals.com and it has quite a following. Some of the followers are just users/readers but others are more active and produce value for the website. When they provide value, they earn currency for their work – called “EQP” and “HT”. So we have something we will call the Dansdeals Blockchain Network that is simply a record keeper of various ongoing deals and it issues a native currency that is fractionable (10,000 EQP = 1 HT). This is similar to the Blockchain network recording financial transactions and issuing bitcoins. The ones who work for the network (miners) earn bitcoins and everyone else needs to buy it to participate.

The analogy improves if you imagine that the Dansdeals website visitors have to pay a small amount, let’s say 5 EQP, in order to access a deal or a code that is recorded on the network. If the website has 30,000 followers who love deals, but only 1,000 active members who earn EQP, then you can see that there is a need for a marketplace to be created where you can buy EQP for later use.

Of course, websites are not networks, and this analogy is far from perfect. But useful.

How much is a Bitcoin worth
No one knows. A few people are speculating its worth based on the potential that Bitcoin will one day become a major world currency that people use in their daily lives. Most people though are speculating its worth based on what the next new investor will pay them for it (google “Greater Fool Investing”).

Even if a crypto currency becomes dominant, who says it will be Bitcoin? Maybe it will be Schmitcoin?
This is completely possible. Bitcoin and Ether are the most likely at this point, but their long term survival is not at all guaranteed.

So why all the fuss about Bitcoin? Shouldn’t we wait for Schmitcoin and its cousins to come out?
You could, but you don’t want to ignore how hard it is to start up a network from scratch. It may be that as little as one person can create rival code to compete with the existing digital currencies and blockchains, but one person is not a network. You need a lot of highly technical and motivated people to join you and also to invest their time, energy, and money in making that network run. It’s a highly specialized group of people, and most of the people who would fit that profile are already tied up with an existing network. So it’s not impossible, especially in the long-term, but even if it does happen it would be unlikely to pop up overnight and so Vegas odds for Bitcoin are way shorter.

Let’s go back to the Dansdeals analogy. Imagine that Dansdeals is not the only such website, and there are other websites in existence that provide similar services. For the sake of the analogy let’s call them MMS and OMAAT. They too have big enough followings to survive independently, and even though each one offers a slightly different flavor that differentiates them, anyone on one of the networks could also get their most important needs met on one of the other networks. In this analogy, do you think it’s worth collecting EQP/HT or not? After all, Schmansdeals.com could open up one day and all the business could move there.

The argument for the difficulty of starting up a rival blockchain network is much stronger than in the analogy (especially if we start to include “smart contracts” in the discussion), but the basic idea that you need a critical mass of follows to be successful and compete with existing rivals is the same.

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Re: Do you use Bitcoin?
« Reply #140 on: June 30, 2015, 02:44:13 PM »
Hi!  I finally registered as a forum user after lurking here for a long time...

With an increasing number of airlines and hotels accepting Bitcoin, as well as Expedia, I do sometimes use it for travel expenses as well.  I'm sure a lot of you frequent flyers are cringing at all the lost points that could've been accrued by using a credit card, but since I'm not a U.S. citizen, unfortunately I can't take advantage of those offers.
So what attracts you to this forum? ??? Not that we don't welcome you with open arms...
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Re: Do you use Bitcoin?
« Reply #141 on: June 30, 2015, 03:58:26 PM »
So what attracts you to this forum? ??? Not that we don't welcome you with open arms...

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Re: Do you use Bitcoin?
« Reply #142 on: June 30, 2015, 04:00:07 PM »
So what attracts you to this forum? ??? Not that we don't welcome you with open arms...
+10000 ;D ;D ;D  probably just interested in bitcoin...
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Re: Do you use Bitcoin?
« Reply #143 on: June 30, 2015, 11:16:00 PM »
So what attracts you to this forum? ??? Not that we don't welcome you with open arms...

Ha!  And no, not just Bitcoin.  This forum would be a bad choice for that.

I'm a frequent flyer, flying around 600,000 to 700,000 miles per year and hence always interested in hearing other people's experiences and advice when it comes to dealing with airlines and maximizing mileage value, etc.  It has become somewhat of a hobby for me.

I figured it was finally time to actually register and maybe add a little value from time-to-time.  Hope I can.

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Re: Do you use Bitcoin?
« Reply #144 on: June 30, 2015, 11:40:41 PM »
Ha!  And no, not just Bitcoin.  This forum would be a bad choice for that.

I'm a frequent flyer, flying around 600,000 to 700,000 miles per year and hence always interested in hearing other people's experiences and advice when it comes to dealing with airlines and maximizing mileage value, etc.  It has become somewhat of a hobby for me.

I figured it was finally time to actually register and maybe add a little value from time-to-time.  Hope I can.

That's an insane number!
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Re: Do you use Bitcoin?
« Reply #145 on: June 30, 2015, 11:51:31 PM »
That's an insane number!

It is.  Some months I'm literally in the air more than I'm on the ground.

Speaking of which, gotta run to the airport now!  ;D

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Re: Do you use Bitcoin?
« Reply #146 on: June 30, 2015, 11:54:20 PM »
It is.  Some months I'm literally in the air more than I'm on the ground.

Speaking of which, gotta run to the airport now!  ;D
There's a thread for that too  :P

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Re: Do you use Bitcoin?
« Reply #147 on: July 01, 2015, 02:24:27 AM »
There's a thread for that too  :P

Ha!  Yes, I've read that thread.  But I'm not even sure where home is anymore.  :'(

So how about them Bitcoins?  Have you ever heard of a Bitcoin or use(d) it?

Feel free to flame Bitcoin as well if you are someone that still feels Bitcoin is only good for funding terrorists and buying things on the black market, but perhaps you could answer the above question at the same time.

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #148 on: June 15, 2016, 02:36:24 PM »
As the BTC price hovers around $700, are you holding on or liquidating?

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #149 on: May 19, 2017, 02:33:35 AM »
Hi guys I hope you can see this, as you know, or don"t,  bitcoin are really going up these days it's currently at 1 bitcoin/1937.46 USD.  you can currently get an extra $10 worth of bitcoin when you sell or buy $100 worth of digital currency by clicking this link https://www.coinbase.com/join/591df35498647f0a7762f79a
no codes or anything you will just receive a $10 worth of bitcoin currently @ 0.00516153 BTC after your transaction

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #150 on: May 19, 2017, 02:42:59 AM »
Hi guys I hope you can see this, as you know, or don"t,  bitcoin are really going up these days it's currently at 1 bitcoin/1937.46 USD.  you can currently get an extra $10 worth of bitcoin when you sell or buy $100 worth of digital currency by clicking this link https://www.coinbase.com/join/591df35498647f0a7762f79a
no codes or anything you will just receive a $10 worth of bitcoin currently @ 0.00516153 BTC after your transaction
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #151 on: May 19, 2017, 02:51:05 AM »
this is why its in just shmooze

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #152 on: May 19, 2017, 02:56:22 AM »
this is why its in just shmooze
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #154 on: June 12, 2017, 08:29:01 AM »
Russia may start using Ethereum, https://www.ethereuminvesting.info/single-post/2017/06/11/Russia-and-China-May-Digitize-Their-Currencies-With-Ethereum.

This is huge!
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« Reply #155 on: June 12, 2017, 03:19:51 PM »
Except for the part that there is no such thing as the Royal Chinese Mint. If anything its the People's Republic of China Mint. This is #fakenews
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #156 on: June 28, 2017, 06:44:24 PM »
Investing in Ethereum would be a great idea?

Currently each ethereum is worth about $300. The way it goes it looks like it will eventually go up higher..

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #157 on: June 28, 2017, 06:56:31 PM »
Investing in Ethereum would be a great idea?

Currently each ethereum is worth about $300. The way it goes it looks like it will eventually go up higher..
Unless of course someone makes another 1 million sell order and it goes back to $.10.
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #158 on: August 08, 2017, 01:49:27 PM »
Anyone purchasing OMG or STRATS?

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #159 on: August 08, 2017, 04:35:45 PM »
Digital currency is probably going to be worth something forever, starting with when it becomes a stable means of storing economic value. But right now its value is just based on hype - and Bitcoin has the most shills, so it's worth the most. Thus far none of the digital currencies have anything to offer society other than what they have convinced people their potential is. So whichever currency you choose to invest in, you've merely gambled/bet on its future dominance over the myriad of rival currencies.

Ethereum IMHO may become the first coin to provide something of value to the economy because of the smart contracts. I was involved in BTC since 2012 (part of a mining pool briefly) but this year I moved everything over to Ether (mild ouch, but actually not far behind in terms of gains had I not moved).

BTC and other digital currencies are not a Ponzi scheme, but do have many of the negative characteristics. Its value is probably all based on the success of its shills. Continued strong growth in the user base is critical to its existence (and whether or not they are suckers depends on continued growth after they join). Also, look carefully at the concentration of Bitcoin nodes in China. Sure, everyone is an individual, but the Chinese government has control over internet access within their borders. That means China has the power to take 75% of all nodes offline, which would severely damage consensus in the blockchain. Of course, everything is rosy until it isn't.

Problems that are nearly certain to come along are: Issues with the length of the blockchain, the impending need to pay blockchain nodes for their service, negative sentiment from inevitable incidents of hacking/theft of coin. Forks too, i.e. dissent among the coders, but in my view that's no different from a new currency popping up out of nowhere. These aren't problems that will end a currency, but they will drive down confidence in it and therefore, price (at least temporarily).
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