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What are blockchains and bitcoins and what is the difference?
A blockchain is the fundamental element in a crypto currency system. A blockchain is an accounting ledger. Each block contains a bunch of journal entries (i.e. a chronological record of transactions) that gets encrypted (by miners) but can be downloaded and read by anyone on the network. Why the blockchain ledger is secure and how we can vouch for its integrity is a slightly more advanced topic.

An accounting ledger typically keeps track of money, and a blockchain is no different. But the only type of money that it can accurately track is digital money that lives on the blockchain network. So dollars, euros, etc are out. The digital money that lives on the blockchain is called a crypto currency, and the most well-known one at this time is Bitcoin.

Currently there are a few major blockchain networks: the Bitcoin Network, the Ethereum Network, and the Litecoin Network. Each one has its own currency, which are Bitcoin, Ether, and Litecoin, respectively.

I’m just a simple DDFer and not an accountant + cryptographer + hacker all at the same time. Can you make this a little simpler to understand?
Let’s try an analogy. There is a certain website called Dansdeals.com and it has quite a following. Some of the followers are just users/readers but others are more active and produce value for the website. When they provide value, they earn currency for their work – called “EQP” and “HT”. So we have something we will call the Dansdeals Blockchain Network that is simply a record keeper of various ongoing deals and it issues a native currency that is fractionable (10,000 EQP = 1 HT). This is similar to the Blockchain network recording financial transactions and issuing bitcoins. The ones who work for the network (miners) earn bitcoins and everyone else needs to buy it to participate.

The analogy improves if you imagine that the Dansdeals website visitors have to pay a small amount, let’s say 5 EQP, in order to access a deal or a code that is recorded on the network. If the website has 30,000 followers who love deals, but only 1,000 active members who earn EQP, then you can see that there is a need for a marketplace to be created where you can buy EQP for later use.

Of course, websites are not networks, and this analogy is far from perfect. But useful.

How much is a Bitcoin worth
No one knows. A few people are speculating its worth based on the potential that Bitcoin will one day become a major world currency that people use in their daily lives. Most people though are speculating its worth based on what the next new investor will pay them for it (google “Greater Fool Investing”).

Even if a crypto currency becomes dominant, who says it will be Bitcoin? Maybe it will be Schmitcoin?
This is completely possible. Bitcoin and Ether are the most likely at this point, but their long term survival is not at all guaranteed.

So why all the fuss about Bitcoin? Shouldn’t we wait for Schmitcoin and its cousins to come out?
You could, but you don’t want to ignore how hard it is to start up a network from scratch. It may be that as little as one person can create rival code to compete with the existing digital currencies and blockchains, but one person is not a network. You need a lot of highly technical and motivated people to join you and also to invest their time, energy, and money in making that network run. It’s a highly specialized group of people, and most of the people who would fit that profile are already tied up with an existing network. So it’s not impossible, especially in the long-term, but even if it does happen it would be unlikely to pop up overnight and so Vegas odds for Bitcoin are way shorter.

Let’s go back to the Dansdeals analogy. Imagine that Dansdeals is not the only such website, and there are other websites in existence that provide similar services. For the sake of the analogy let’s call them MMS and OMAAT. They too have big enough followings to survive independently, and even though each one offers a slightly different flavor that differentiates them, anyone on one of the networks could also get their most important needs met on one of the other networks. In this analogy, do you think it’s worth collecting EQP/HT or not? After all, Schmansdeals.com could open up one day and all the business could move there.

The argument for the difficulty of starting up a rival blockchain network is much stronger than in the analogy (especially if we start to include “smart contracts” in the discussion), but the basic idea that you need a critical mass of follows to be successful and compete with existing rivals is the same.

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1640 on: April 16, 2021, 11:15:14 AM »
Ever read thinking fast and slow?

Ugh. Save yourself the time and just read this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prospect_theory

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1641 on: April 16, 2021, 11:53:26 AM »
Am I going to check back mtz shbs and this is going to be at $1?

 Am I supposed to be buying now?
  Or unloading profits now?

DOGE might also be $1 by Motzai Shabbos. Insanity all around.

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1642 on: April 16, 2021, 11:58:47 AM »
DOGE might also be $1 by Motzai Shabbos. Insanity all around.

How many people are committing financial suicide with Doge right now?
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1643 on: April 16, 2021, 12:25:47 PM »
Is there a strategy for staggering the profit taking to lock in some (and more over time) gains but still play for upside?

Practical question, someone bought Doge a few days ago and already tripled their money. How much do you sell at this point? A half? Two thirds? Depends on your risk appetite?
Rule of thumb. If something doubles, sell out the principal immediately and then you can play with free money.
You can also set staggered sell orders for 10% of the stack at every 10-20% gain.

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1644 on: April 16, 2021, 12:37:24 PM »
Rule of thumb. If something doubles, sell out the principal immediately and then you can play with free money.
You can also set staggered sell orders for 10% of the stack at every 10-20% gain.
Completely disagree. There is no such thing as free money. If its worth money now its real money, why would you treat it differently than money you previously had? Do you value it less?
The only way to justify an investment is if you had the money in the bank would you take it out to invest it.

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1645 on: April 16, 2021, 01:02:21 PM »
Completely disagree. There is no such thing as free money. If its worth money now its real money, why would you treat it differently than money you previously had? Do you value it less?
The only way to justify an investment is if you had the money in the bank would you take it out to invest it.

Investing is different than speculating.

I would like to see anyone looking at DOGE as an investment rather than pure speculation.

When speculating, I think it makes sense to go for "free rides" - get your principal out and ride the wave with gains.
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1646 on: April 16, 2021, 01:22:30 PM »
Investing is different than speculating.

I would like to see anyone looking at DOGE as an investment rather than pure speculation.

When speculating, I think it makes sense to go for "free rides" - get your principal out and ride the wave with gains.
In my opinion that shouldnt change how to view money. If you want to speculate you can do so equally with money in the bank or already 'invested'. If its something you consider worth doing, do it, if not, dont.
I belive the reason people do this is purely in order to not have regret if it does go up. Emotional not logical.

My 2 cents, and ill leave it at that. (By all means do whatever you like and I wish you much hatzlacha)

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1647 on: April 16, 2021, 01:56:55 PM »
In my opinion that shouldnt change how to view money. If you want to speculate you can do so equally with money in the bank or already 'invested'. If its something you consider worth doing, do it, if not, dont.
I belive the reason people do this is purely in order to not have regret if it does go up. Emotional not logical.

My 2 cents, and ill leave it at that. (By all means do whatever you like and I wish you much hatzlacha)

You don't see a difference between Saving, Investing, and Speculating?

The bottom line is that in a flexible economy we always have assets that can be converted (with cash and equivalents being the medium of conversion - as long as crypto is as volatile as it is, it cannot serve as a medium of conversion). Where someone decides to keep any percentage of his or her assets, is a multifaceted decision which is based on current and future perceived needs, and emotions play a huge part in it (which is why finance ≠ math).

I challenge you to find and point out one person in the world that sees DOGE as an investment rather than speculation. When speculating, it's not about value, or even about relative value (compared to other assets) it's only about price, and emotions, and risk management have a huge part in speculation.
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1648 on: April 16, 2021, 02:51:53 PM »
You don't see a difference between Saving, Investing, and Speculating?

I challenge you to find and point out one person in the world that sees DOGE as an investment rather than speculation. When speculating, it's not about value, or even about relative value (compared to other assets) it's only about price, and emotions, and risk management have a huge part in speculation.
Agree. 100% speculation along with light gambling where you only put in $ that you're comfortable losing with little financial risk. It's a thrill/game more than an investment. For me that is. There are others who put in $$$... Say I cashed out $1K on DOGE, I'd be fine re-investing my original $500 again.
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1649 on: April 16, 2021, 04:38:16 PM »
Ugh. Save yourself the time and just read this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prospect_theory
I read it twice so too late. I enjoyed the stories and depth. Just takes forever to read.

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1650 on: April 17, 2021, 11:37:55 PM »
Crazy correction.
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1651 on: April 17, 2021, 11:48:48 PM »
What is the best wallet to buy Dodge?

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1652 on: April 18, 2021, 12:19:52 AM »
You don't see a difference between Saving, Investing, and Speculating?

The bottom line is that in a flexible economy we always have assets that can be converted (with cash and equivalents being the medium of conversion - as long as crypto is as volatile as it is, it cannot serve as a medium of conversion). Where someone decides to keep any percentage of his or her assets, is a multifaceted decision which is based on current and future perceived needs, and emotions play a huge part in it (which is why finance ≠ math).

I challenge you to find and point out one person in the world that sees DOGE as an investment rather than speculation. When speculating, it's not about value, or even about relative value (compared to other assets) it's only about price, and emotions, and risk management have a huge part in speculation.

I’m asking about doge and see it as speculative. The money put is only because I believe foolish and hyped momentum can drive it to $1. So while I do want to take profits beyond my initial investment (to cash in on other people’s stupidity) I don’t want the bottom to fall out and miss out on any upside, hence the approach of staggering my sells.

If there was proper liquidity a limit order at some threshold or trailing limit order would work for me, but my understanding is that when these things crash market orders are more likely to get executed and limit orders are sometimes (often) left hanging.
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1653 on: April 18, 2021, 12:39:48 AM »
Crazy correction.
When you see a sudden sharp increase, there's usually a sharp drop to follow. I'm not surprised. It's interesting though that Bitcoin Cash stayed at $900.
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1654 on: April 18, 2021, 02:02:30 AM »
When you see a sudden sharp increase, there's usually a sharp drop to follow. I'm not surprised. It's interesting though that Bitcoin Cash stayed at $900.
It was up to $1200+ for a bit and now back down to $900 range..

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1656 on: April 21, 2021, 02:44:17 PM »
Any tokens being added to Coinbase any time soon?
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1657 on: April 21, 2021, 03:29:51 PM »
Any tokens being added to Coinbase any time soon?

I imagine they will eventually add DOGE,DOT, SOL, ENJ, VET. It would be foolish not to list coins that generate so much traffic, especially when some of the other U.S exchanges list these projects.

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1658 on: April 21, 2021, 03:37:23 PM »
Interesting to see ETH outperforming BTC again after the big weekend drop.
Typically alts go wild once ETH cools off a little.
BTC dominance also at the lowest level since Jul '18.

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« Reply #1659 on: April 21, 2021, 03:41:09 PM »
I imagine they will eventually add DOGE,DOT, SOL, ENJ, VET. It would be foolish not to list coins that generate so much traffic, especially when some of the other U.S exchanges list these projects.

Curious to see if SC gets listed.
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