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What are blockchains and bitcoins and what is the difference?
A blockchain is the fundamental element in a crypto currency system. A blockchain is an accounting ledger. Each block contains a bunch of journal entries (i.e. a chronological record of transactions) that gets encrypted (by miners) but can be downloaded and read by anyone on the network. Why the blockchain ledger is secure and how we can vouch for its integrity is a slightly more advanced topic.

An accounting ledger typically keeps track of money, and a blockchain is no different. But the only type of money that it can accurately track is digital money that lives on the blockchain network. So dollars, euros, etc are out. The digital money that lives on the blockchain is called a crypto currency, and the most well-known one at this time is Bitcoin.

Currently there are a few major blockchain networks: the Bitcoin Network, the Ethereum Network, and the Litecoin Network. Each one has its own currency, which are Bitcoin, Ether, and Litecoin, respectively.

I’m just a simple DDFer and not an accountant + cryptographer + hacker all at the same time. Can you make this a little simpler to understand?
Let’s try an analogy. There is a certain website called Dansdeals.com and it has quite a following. Some of the followers are just users/readers but others are more active and produce value for the website. When they provide value, they earn currency for their work – called “EQP” and “HT”. So we have something we will call the Dansdeals Blockchain Network that is simply a record keeper of various ongoing deals and it issues a native currency that is fractionable (10,000 EQP = 1 HT). This is similar to the Blockchain network recording financial transactions and issuing bitcoins. The ones who work for the network (miners) earn bitcoins and everyone else needs to buy it to participate.

The analogy improves if you imagine that the Dansdeals website visitors have to pay a small amount, let’s say 5 EQP, in order to access a deal or a code that is recorded on the network. If the website has 30,000 followers who love deals, but only 1,000 active members who earn EQP, then you can see that there is a need for a marketplace to be created where you can buy EQP for later use.

Of course, websites are not networks, and this analogy is far from perfect. But useful.

How much is a Bitcoin worth
No one knows. A few people are speculating its worth based on the potential that Bitcoin will one day become a major world currency that people use in their daily lives. Most people though are speculating its worth based on what the next new investor will pay them for it (google “Greater Fool Investing”).

Even if a crypto currency becomes dominant, who says it will be Bitcoin? Maybe it will be Schmitcoin?
This is completely possible. Bitcoin and Ether are the most likely at this point, but their long term survival is not at all guaranteed.

So why all the fuss about Bitcoin? Shouldn’t we wait for Schmitcoin and its cousins to come out?
You could, but you don’t want to ignore how hard it is to start up a network from scratch. It may be that as little as one person can create rival code to compete with the existing digital currencies and blockchains, but one person is not a network. You need a lot of highly technical and motivated people to join you and also to invest their time, energy, and money in making that network run. It’s a highly specialized group of people, and most of the people who would fit that profile are already tied up with an existing network. So it’s not impossible, especially in the long-term, but even if it does happen it would be unlikely to pop up overnight and so Vegas odds for Bitcoin are way shorter.

Let’s go back to the Dansdeals analogy. Imagine that Dansdeals is not the only such website, and there are other websites in existence that provide similar services. For the sake of the analogy let’s call them MMS and OMAAT. They too have big enough followings to survive independently, and even though each one offers a slightly different flavor that differentiates them, anyone on one of the networks could also get their most important needs met on one of the other networks. In this analogy, do you think it’s worth collecting EQP/HT or not? After all, Schmansdeals.com could open up one day and all the business could move there.

The argument for the difficulty of starting up a rival blockchain network is much stronger than in the analogy (especially if we start to include “smart contracts” in the discussion), but the basic idea that you need a critical mass of follows to be successful and compete with existing rivals is the same.

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1700 on: May 13, 2021, 07:36:28 AM »
Then why would Elon musk/tesla  pull out of bitcoin & promote dogecoin if it's technically the same like you say?

He's in this to make money (and attention). There is no law against manipulating the market and that's what he has been doing for months using his twitter following and celebrity status. He alternates between hyping coins and saying they're overpriced and benefits from the volatility

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1701 on: May 13, 2021, 12:05:30 PM »
You’re not really saying much. Of course there’s a lot of hype in crypto and it may drop in price, but don’t think that crypto will ever go away. I was originally a big fan of Bitcoin, but eventually realizing that it lost all its utility except as a store of value, aka digital gold. The thought was that Bitcoin couldn’t succeed as a store of value if it didn’t have any other utility. Well, 12 years and 3 gigantic crashes later, we’re at $50k and it has less utility than ever. It has caught on with everyone - from crypto investors, to retail traders, and even institutional investors. Its popularity as a finite store of value is here to stay, and that became its real utility. So while it may lose significant value, don’t think that it will ever go to zero.

Other cryptos provide more utility than Bitcoin but don’t have the brand name, some will go bust, some of the bigger ones will likely last as well, such as ETH.

How does the volatility not negate its reliability as a store of value?
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1702 on: May 13, 2021, 12:52:18 PM »
How does the volatility not negate its reliability as a store of value?

Because since its inception, Bitcoin is up like a bajillion percent. "Store of value" means retention of long term value, which it certainly has done for those that invested in it a few years ago. Short term volatility has little impact on its store of value function.

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1703 on: May 13, 2021, 05:21:56 PM »
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1392602041025843203

With all the attention shining on energy efficiency, I think it's worth analyzing which crypto is energy efficient and may benefit from a shift in thinking. I found this article discussing some of the most efficient options. I found Cardano, Stellar, Nano, and BitGreen the most interesting. Looking at the market since Musks announcement, Nano shot up 65% while Cardano is up 10%, compared to the overall market which is down 8%. Seems like both are clearly benefiting from the green aspect. I have some Nano so hopefully it can gain some luster in the long term.
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« Reply #1704 on: May 13, 2021, 05:23:49 PM »
With all the attention shining on energy efficiency, I think it's worth analyzing which crypto is pretty green and will benefit from a shift in thinking. I found this article discussing some the greenest options. I find Cardano, Stellar, Nano, and BitGreen the most interesting. Looking at the market since Musks announcement, Nano shot up 65% while Cardano is up 10%, compared to the overall market which is down 8%. Seems like both are clearly benefiting from the green aspect.
What about storage based ones?
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« Reply #1705 on: May 13, 2021, 05:26:28 PM »
With all the attention shining on energy efficiency, I think it's worth analyzing which crypto is energy efficient and may benefit from a shift in thinking. I found this article discussing some of the most efficient options. I found Cardano, Stellar, Nano, and BitGreen the most interesting. Looking at the market since Musks announcement, Nano shot up 65% while Cardano is up 10%, compared to the overall market which is down 8%. Seems like both are clearly benefiting from the green aspect. I have some Nano so hopefully it can gain some luster in the long term.

DOT has also performed quite well, and I think also fits into that category. The ETH update I believe increased efficiency significantly.
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« Reply #1706 on: May 13, 2021, 05:27:11 PM »
What about storage based ones?

Also curious about this. Specifically STORJ and SC.
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1707 on: May 13, 2021, 05:30:39 PM »
What about storage based ones?

Don't know much about them but it's an interesting concept. Without knowing much, I would look into betting on Bram Cohen - founder of CHIA - the guy's a genius and can get others to believe in his vision.
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1708 on: May 14, 2021, 08:31:11 AM »
With all the attention shining on energy efficiency, I think it's worth analyzing which crypto is energy efficient and may benefit from a shift in thinking. I found this article discussing some of the most efficient options. I found Cardano, Stellar, Nano, and BitGreen the most interesting. Looking at the market since Musks announcement, Nano shot up 65% while Cardano is up 10%, compared to the overall market which is down 8%. Seems like both are clearly benefiting from the green aspect. I have some Nano so hopefully it can gain some luster in the long term.
Nano is great when it works but due to low/no energy requirements, it has a lot of issues. Node spam and things like that.

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« Reply #1709 on: May 14, 2021, 10:43:39 AM »
Don't know much about them but it's an interesting concept. Without knowing much, I would look into betting on Bram Cohen - founder of CHIA - the guy's a genius and can get others to believe in his vision.
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« Reply #1710 on: May 14, 2021, 10:47:28 AM »
Yup so they say

Where is it listed?
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« Reply #1711 on: May 14, 2021, 11:01:42 AM »
Where is it listed?
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I believe since it was recently lunched it's not widely available, the idea is to mine it though.
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« Reply #1712 on: May 14, 2021, 12:55:01 PM »
Nano is great when it works but due to low/no energy requirements, it has a lot of issues. Node spam and things like that.

They released v22 yesterday which is supposed to take care of the spam issue for the most part.
https://www.reddit.com/r/nanocurrency/comments/nbrph3/spam_and_v22_explained/
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« Reply #1713 on: May 14, 2021, 05:45:11 PM »
They released v22 yesterday which is supposed to take care of the spam issue for the most part.
https://www.reddit.com/r/nanocurrency/comments/nbrph3/spam_and_v22_explained/
Will believe it when I see it.
Also would help if the exchanges wallets weren’t always down.

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« Reply #1714 on: May 19, 2021, 09:15:36 AM »
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« Reply #1715 on: May 19, 2021, 12:39:03 PM »
Will believe it when I see it.
Also would help if the exchanges wallets weren’t always down.
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1718 on: May 19, 2021, 10:58:57 PM »
https://twitter.com/S_Mikhailovich/status/1395048969466699783
And what does he plan on doing with the gains? Getting it usable is not so simple.
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« Reply #1719 on: May 19, 2021, 11:06:01 PM »
And what does he plan on doing with the gains? Getting it usable is not so simple.
Buying a tesla is out of the question....
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