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What are blockchains and bitcoins and what is the difference?
A blockchain is the fundamental element in a crypto currency system. A blockchain is an accounting ledger. Each block contains a bunch of journal entries (i.e. a chronological record of transactions) that gets encrypted (by miners) but can be downloaded and read by anyone on the network. Why the blockchain ledger is secure and how we can vouch for its integrity is a slightly more advanced topic.

An accounting ledger typically keeps track of money, and a blockchain is no different. But the only type of money that it can accurately track is digital money that lives on the blockchain network. So dollars, euros, etc are out. The digital money that lives on the blockchain is called a crypto currency, and the most well-known one at this time is Bitcoin.

Currently there are a few major blockchain networks: the Bitcoin Network, the Ethereum Network, and the Litecoin Network. Each one has its own currency, which are Bitcoin, Ether, and Litecoin, respectively.

I’m just a simple DDFer and not an accountant + cryptographer + hacker all at the same time. Can you make this a little simpler to understand?
Let’s try an analogy. There is a certain website called Dansdeals.com and it has quite a following. Some of the followers are just users/readers but others are more active and produce value for the website. When they provide value, they earn currency for their work – called “EQP” and “HT”. So we have something we will call the Dansdeals Blockchain Network that is simply a record keeper of various ongoing deals and it issues a native currency that is fractionable (10,000 EQP = 1 HT). This is similar to the Blockchain network recording financial transactions and issuing bitcoins. The ones who work for the network (miners) earn bitcoins and everyone else needs to buy it to participate.

The analogy improves if you imagine that the Dansdeals website visitors have to pay a small amount, let’s say 5 EQP, in order to access a deal or a code that is recorded on the network. If the website has 30,000 followers who love deals, but only 1,000 active members who earn EQP, then you can see that there is a need for a marketplace to be created where you can buy EQP for later use.

Of course, websites are not networks, and this analogy is far from perfect. But useful.

How much is a Bitcoin worth
No one knows. A few people are speculating its worth based on the potential that Bitcoin will one day become a major world currency that people use in their daily lives. Most people though are speculating its worth based on what the next new investor will pay them for it (google “Greater Fool Investing”).

Even if a crypto currency becomes dominant, who says it will be Bitcoin? Maybe it will be Schmitcoin?
This is completely possible. Bitcoin and Ether are the most likely at this point, but their long term survival is not at all guaranteed.

So why all the fuss about Bitcoin? Shouldn’t we wait for Schmitcoin and its cousins to come out?
You could, but you don’t want to ignore how hard it is to start up a network from scratch. It may be that as little as one person can create rival code to compete with the existing digital currencies and blockchains, but one person is not a network. You need a lot of highly technical and motivated people to join you and also to invest their time, energy, and money in making that network run. It’s a highly specialized group of people, and most of the people who would fit that profile are already tied up with an existing network. So it’s not impossible, especially in the long-term, but even if it does happen it would be unlikely to pop up overnight and so Vegas odds for Bitcoin are way shorter.

Let’s go back to the Dansdeals analogy. Imagine that Dansdeals is not the only such website, and there are other websites in existence that provide similar services. For the sake of the analogy let’s call them MMS and OMAAT. They too have big enough followings to survive independently, and even though each one offers a slightly different flavor that differentiates them, anyone on one of the networks could also get their most important needs met on one of the other networks. In this analogy, do you think it’s worth collecting EQP/HT or not? After all, Schmansdeals.com could open up one day and all the business could move there.

The argument for the difficulty of starting up a rival blockchain network is much stronger than in the analogy (especially if we start to include “smart contracts” in the discussion), but the basic idea that you need a critical mass of follows to be successful and compete with existing rivals is the same.

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1720 on: May 19, 2021, 11:08:09 PM »
https://twitter.com/S_Mikhailovich/status/1395048969466699783

The guy trying to tell us what’s really going in the world thinks 200k/mo payroll is considered a very small business
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1721 on: May 19, 2021, 11:16:38 PM »
The guy trying to tell us what’s really going in the world thinks 200k/mo payroll is considered a very small business
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1722 on: May 22, 2021, 11:43:52 PM »
The guy trying to tell us what’s really going in the world thinks 200k/mo payroll is considered a very small business

If it's a restaurant, then it could be $83k a month but stil
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1723 on: May 23, 2021, 02:07:57 PM »
FOMO buyers in a tough spot. Cut their losses now down 60% or wait for a bounce and sell or maybe buy the dip etc.....If you bought early and are in a drawdown remember how much you are up  big picture and dont be greedy because it can always get worse.

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1724 on: May 23, 2021, 06:01:27 PM »
https://twitter.com/S_Mikhailovich/status/1395048969466699783
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/05/crypto-payments-above-10000-would-be-reported-to-irs-under-treasury-plan/

This is was the problem with BitCoin all along - the governments are too strong and will never tolerate losing power of monetary regulation. Bitcoin always was a worthless fad.
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1725 on: May 24, 2021, 08:08:02 AM »
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/05/crypto-payments-above-10000-would-be-reported-to-irs-under-treasury-plan/

This is was the problem with BitCoin all along - the governments are too strong and will never tolerate losing power of monetary regulation. Bitcoin always was a worthless fad.

If I buy a car and pay with bitcoin the dealership will be asked to report the transaction to IRS, so what? If the SEC wants to have oversight of crypto exchanges, so what? The IRS also asks me to report every sale of crypto (which I do) for cap gains, and so what? The purpose of bitcoin isn't so that we can all launder money and take tax free capital gains, and it certainly isnt so that RobinHood can trick its users into thinking they own crypto. The purpose is that the government cant control the creation or distribution of bitcoin as money, and nothing in that article makes that any less true.

I totally agree with you though that bitcoin is only a fad - so far. Most people think bitcoins live on exchanges and are only used in trading. Everyone who is interested in crypto should make their own wallet and transact, get a feel for the complexity and fees (and freedom) of being your own banker . IMO the biggest weakness of crypto adoption as money is that the vast majority cannot manage their own private keys.

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1726 on: May 24, 2021, 08:56:02 AM »
The purpose of bitcoin isn't so that we can all launder money and take tax free capital gains, and it certainly isnt so that RobinHood can trick its users into thinking they own crypto. The purpose is that the government cant control the creation or distribution of bitcoin as money, and nothing in that article makes that any less true.

One of the lauded benefits of BTC is the lack of ability to oversee and prevent transactions, not only control of supply. The article doesn't prove that BTC will ultimately fail, it just demonstrates how the governments have no intention of rolling over, and just like they are imposing regulation when it's hurting their tax collection, they are likely to impose further restrictions if it threatens their ability to govern monetary supply.

If I buy a car and pay with bitcoin the dealership will be asked to report the transaction to IRS, so what?
Nothing. My point was, today they require you to notify them, tomorrow they can bar it.
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1727 on: May 24, 2021, 09:38:47 AM »
Been hearing the same old song and dance for 12 years
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1728 on: May 24, 2021, 10:08:18 AM »
One of the lauded benefits of BTC is the lack of ability to oversee and prevent transactions, not only control of supply. The article doesn't prove that BTC will ultimately fail, it just demonstrates how the governments have no intention of rolling over, and just like they are imposing regulation when it's hurting their tax collection, they are likely to impose further restrictions if it threatens their ability to govern monetary supply.
Nothing. My point was, today they require you to notify them, tomorrow they can bar it.

100% agree with that, but I don't see how it's a knock against BTC. The gov't can indeed regulate (i.e. intimidate and punish) businesses who accept bitcoin payments, but they can't have any effect on the transaction network directly. IOW they have control over the end-user individuals and entities that comply with the regulations but not on the currency itself. Nafka minas are clear as day

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1729 on: May 30, 2021, 05:11:46 PM »
Will believe it when I see it.
Also would help if the exchanges wallets weren’t always down.

Nano V22 finally cleared out the spam backlog, and transactions are blazing fast again. V22.1 and V23 will further prevent and disincentivize future attacks. Exchanges like Binance have opened up the wallets again now that things went back to normal.
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1730 on: May 31, 2021, 12:15:45 AM »
You’re not really saying much. Of course there’s a lot of hype in crypto and it may drop in price, but don’t think that crypto will ever go away. I was originally a big fan of Bitcoin, but eventually realizing that it lost all its utility except as a store of value, aka digital gold. The thought was that Bitcoin couldn’t succeed as a store of value if it didn’t have any other utility. Well, 12 years and 3 gigantic crashes later, we’re at $50k and it has less utility than ever. It has caught on with everyone - from crypto investors, to retail traders, and even institutional investors. Its popularity as a finite store of value is here to stay, and that became its real utility. So while it may lose significant value, don’t think that it will ever go to zero.

Other cryptos provide more utility than Bitcoin but don’t have the brand name, some will go bust, some of the bigger ones will likely last as well, such as ETH.

Speaking of digital gold-

“A fellow billionaire Paul Tudor Jones called [Stanley Druckenmiller] and said “Do you know that when Bitcoin went from $17,000 to $3000, 86% of the people that owned it at $17,000 never sold it?”

Wow.

https://cryptoslate.com/i-felt-like-a-moron-for-not-buying-bitcoin-says-billionaire-stanley-druckenmiller/
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1731 on: May 31, 2021, 08:58:40 PM »
What are the top 3 recommended exchanges? I am fairly technical so, difficulty isn't much of an issue. I'm looking for the best rates or other strong benefits.

If anyone has any suggestions please let me know.

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« Reply #1732 on: May 31, 2021, 11:16:07 PM »
What are the top 3 recommended exchanges? I am fairly technical so, difficulty isn't much of an issue. I'm looking for the best rates or other strong benefits.

If anyone has any suggestions please let me know.
Gemini, Binance, Uniswap/sushiswap/pancakeswap, etc...

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1733 on: June 04, 2021, 08:02:50 AM »
Coinbase quietly listed Doge yesterday, in case anyone is interested

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1734 on: June 04, 2021, 08:27:07 AM »
Coinbase quietly listed Doge yesterday, in case anyone is interested
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« Reply #1735 on: June 07, 2021, 07:45:46 AM »
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1737 on: June 07, 2021, 04:58:30 PM »

WOW. And here we thought that bitcoin is not traceable...

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« Reply #1738 on: June 07, 2021, 05:39:00 PM »
WOW. And here we thought that bitcoin is not traceable...

Why would you think that? Bitcoin blockchain is very traceable.
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« Reply #1739 on: June 07, 2021, 06:18:32 PM »
WOW. And here we thought that bitcoin is not traceable...

Very common misconception. Holding that view is a telltale sign of not understanding bitcoin.

Bitcoin is not anonymous. It is pseudonymous- you don't have to put your name on your wallet. But your wallet is public, so everyone can easily see all your transactions. And transactions can create clues because there are two sides to it (pay for goods, we can track the goods. sell on an exchange, we can use kyc and ip info from that account. pull from am atm, we can view video footage of the atm. Etc)