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What are blockchains and bitcoins and what is the difference?
A blockchain is the fundamental element in a crypto currency system. A blockchain is an accounting ledger. Each block contains a bunch of journal entries (i.e. a chronological record of transactions) that gets encrypted (by miners) but can be downloaded and read by anyone on the network. Why the blockchain ledger is secure and how we can vouch for its integrity is a slightly more advanced topic.

An accounting ledger typically keeps track of money, and a blockchain is no different. But the only type of money that it can accurately track is digital money that lives on the blockchain network. So dollars, euros, etc are out. The digital money that lives on the blockchain is called a crypto currency, and the most well-known one at this time is Bitcoin.

Currently there are a few major blockchain networks: the Bitcoin Network, the Ethereum Network, and the Litecoin Network. Each one has its own currency, which are Bitcoin, Ether, and Litecoin, respectively.

I’m just a simple DDFer and not an accountant + cryptographer + hacker all at the same time. Can you make this a little simpler to understand?
Let’s try an analogy. There is a certain website called Dansdeals.com and it has quite a following. Some of the followers are just users/readers but others are more active and produce value for the website. When they provide value, they earn currency for their work – called “EQP” and “HT”. So we have something we will call the Dansdeals Blockchain Network that is simply a record keeper of various ongoing deals and it issues a native currency that is fractionable (10,000 EQP = 1 HT). This is similar to the Blockchain network recording financial transactions and issuing bitcoins. The ones who work for the network (miners) earn bitcoins and everyone else needs to buy it to participate.

The analogy improves if you imagine that the Dansdeals website visitors have to pay a small amount, let’s say 5 EQP, in order to access a deal or a code that is recorded on the network. If the website has 30,000 followers who love deals, but only 1,000 active members who earn EQP, then you can see that there is a need for a marketplace to be created where you can buy EQP for later use.

Of course, websites are not networks, and this analogy is far from perfect. But useful.

How much is a Bitcoin worth
No one knows. A few people are speculating its worth based on the potential that Bitcoin will one day become a major world currency that people use in their daily lives. Most people though are speculating its worth based on what the next new investor will pay them for it (google “Greater Fool Investing”).

Even if a crypto currency becomes dominant, who says it will be Bitcoin? Maybe it will be Schmitcoin?
This is completely possible. Bitcoin and Ether are the most likely at this point, but their long term survival is not at all guaranteed.

So why all the fuss about Bitcoin? Shouldn’t we wait for Schmitcoin and its cousins to come out?
You could, but you don’t want to ignore how hard it is to start up a network from scratch. It may be that as little as one person can create rival code to compete with the existing digital currencies and blockchains, but one person is not a network. You need a lot of highly technical and motivated people to join you and also to invest their time, energy, and money in making that network run. It’s a highly specialized group of people, and most of the people who would fit that profile are already tied up with an existing network. So it’s not impossible, especially in the long-term, but even if it does happen it would be unlikely to pop up overnight and so Vegas odds for Bitcoin are way shorter.

Let’s go back to the Dansdeals analogy. Imagine that Dansdeals is not the only such website, and there are other websites in existence that provide similar services. For the sake of the analogy let’s call them MMS and OMAAT. They too have big enough followings to survive independently, and even though each one offers a slightly different flavor that differentiates them, anyone on one of the networks could also get their most important needs met on one of the other networks. In this analogy, do you think it’s worth collecting EQP/HT or not? After all, Schmansdeals.com could open up one day and all the business could move there.

The argument for the difficulty of starting up a rival blockchain network is much stronger than in the analogy (especially if we start to include “smart contracts” in the discussion), but the basic idea that you need a critical mass of follows to be successful and compete with existing rivals is the same.

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1760 on: August 09, 2021, 09:16:17 PM »
Not exactly true. You're getting into Eth very late so the network of coinholders is more matured, but early on in any coin's history shilling for it is very much part of the job. If you don't shill for your coin it's a much bigger risk to hold, because getting more sub-buyers is the only way to create adoption and value. You may get lucky doing nothing but its only because other people are shilling

I tend to feel the opposite. Bitcoin, ETH and other early coins weren’t really shilled. BTC was exciting tech and got many to invest time and money into it for ideological reasons. I’d only later on that shilling became a thing after it became so valuable. Even the first successful memecoin - doge- was not meant for shilling yet became very successful (likely because of that).
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1761 on: August 10, 2021, 02:21:35 AM »
I tend to feel the opposite. Bitcoin, ETH and other early coins weren’t really shilled. BTC was exciting tech and got many to invest time and money into it for ideological reasons. I’d only later on that shilling became a thing after it became so valuable. Even the first successful memecoin - doge- was not meant for shilling yet became very successful (likely because of that).
You both agree. Those early coins were the exception.

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1762 on: August 10, 2021, 08:28:57 AM »
So, yes crypto is not really an MLM. But MLMs are only one variety of pyramid scheme. In some sense it has strong similarities since the only value of crypto is that someone else will ascribe more value to it, but they themselves will only be betting that yet another person will ascribe even more value, etc.

I think there are some true believers who expect that any day now, we’ll all switch over to BTC and fiat money will be gone. For them, ok i hear. 

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1763 on: August 10, 2021, 08:56:07 AM »
So, yes crypto is not really an MLM. But MLMs are only one variety of pyramid scheme. In some sense it has strong similarities since the only value of crypto is that someone else will ascribe more value to it, but they themselves will only be betting that yet another person will ascribe even more value, etc.

Sounds like you are describing every fiat currency in existence, art, and anything that people collect or invest in.

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I think there are some true believers who expect that any day now, we’ll all switch over to BTC and fiat money will be gone. For them, ok i hear.

This is a straw man. You don’t need fiat to disappear for crypto to have value.
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1764 on: August 10, 2021, 09:27:02 AM »
Finally dipped my toes into crypto buying 5 ETH at $1,850 a month ago.
Do I HODL or sell now? :P

Feels like a slot machine. If only I got in when this thread was started.  :-[

Nobody knows what the top is and when exactly to sell. My suggestion is to have 2 separate accounts. One is a longer term investment that you hold and dont touch for a few years. Make sure its an asset that you are comfortable holding and you think has potential.
The other account you can have fun and buy/sell/trade with and take profits as the market swings. A general strategy is to be patient for good R/R opportunities and buy on days when the market is red and sell when it is green and and is shooting up.

One other tip is to hold your crypto (ETH in  your case) on an exchange or platform that offers interest or staking, this way you are earning a return even if the price goes down for a bit. Blockfolio offers 8% back on your first 10k and 5% beyond that and is a reputable company owned by the face and biggest advocate of crypto. DM me for a referral for Blockfolio or Voyager :)

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1766 on: August 10, 2021, 11:25:07 PM »
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1767 on: August 10, 2021, 11:30:07 PM »
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1768 on: September 13, 2021, 05:47:38 PM »
IBKR introducing some crypto coins on their platform. Got the following email from them today:



Some limitations:

Individual (and possibly joint) accounts only (no non-natural person accounts such as LLC etc.

Limit orders can't be too far from current offer, or they will be canceled.

Time in force for orders is immediate or minutes (maximum 5).
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1770 on: October 09, 2021, 03:43:39 PM »
anyone know of a reliable, free, bitcoin wallet, that i can use only on my windows laptop, w/o involving a smartphone?

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1771 on: October 09, 2021, 04:24:19 PM »
anyone know of a reliable, free, bitcoin wallet, that i can use only on my windows laptop, w/o involving a smartphone?
I believe quite a bunch need once a phone for verification.
You mean the actual use, right?

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1772 on: October 09, 2021, 09:11:38 PM »
I believe quite a bunch need once a phone for verification.
You mean the actual use, right?
With GVoice any should work. I believe Coinbase (pro) and Gemini are recommended.
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1774 on: October 17, 2021, 10:41:27 AM »
I believe quite a bunch need once a phone for verification.
You mean the actual use, right?
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1775 on: October 17, 2021, 11:29:48 AM »
anyone know of a reliable, free, bitcoin wallet, that i can use only on my windows laptop, w/o involving a smartphone?

Paper wallets are free. Save the private key on your laptop. But you'll pay transaction fees every time you move coins in or out.

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1776 on: October 22, 2021, 02:11:36 PM »
Any posts about the coinbase visa debit card? Is it good? Gives 4% back in crypto
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« Reply #1777 on: October 22, 2021, 02:35:18 PM »
Any posts about the coinbase visa debit card? Is it good? Gives 4% back in crypto
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1779 on: October 22, 2021, 05:40:34 PM »
Is this how BTC / Crypto currency  works goes up or down based on the announcements, News and jokes?