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What are blockchains and bitcoins and what is the difference?
A blockchain is the fundamental element in a crypto currency system. A blockchain is an accounting ledger. Each block contains a bunch of journal entries (i.e. a chronological record of transactions) that gets encrypted (by miners) but can be downloaded and read by anyone on the network. Why the blockchain ledger is secure and how we can vouch for its integrity is a slightly more advanced topic.

An accounting ledger typically keeps track of money, and a blockchain is no different. But the only type of money that it can accurately track is digital money that lives on the blockchain network. So dollars, euros, etc are out. The digital money that lives on the blockchain is called a crypto currency, and the most well-known one at this time is Bitcoin.

Currently there are a few major blockchain networks: the Bitcoin Network, the Ethereum Network, and the Litecoin Network. Each one has its own currency, which are Bitcoin, Ether, and Litecoin, respectively.

I’m just a simple DDFer and not an accountant + cryptographer + hacker all at the same time. Can you make this a little simpler to understand?
Let’s try an analogy. There is a certain website called Dansdeals.com and it has quite a following. Some of the followers are just users/readers but others are more active and produce value for the website. When they provide value, they earn currency for their work – called “EQP” and “HT”. So we have something we will call the Dansdeals Blockchain Network that is simply a record keeper of various ongoing deals and it issues a native currency that is fractionable (10,000 EQP = 1 HT). This is similar to the Blockchain network recording financial transactions and issuing bitcoins. The ones who work for the network (miners) earn bitcoins and everyone else needs to buy it to participate.

The analogy improves if you imagine that the Dansdeals website visitors have to pay a small amount, let’s say 5 EQP, in order to access a deal or a code that is recorded on the network. If the website has 30,000 followers who love deals, but only 1,000 active members who earn EQP, then you can see that there is a need for a marketplace to be created where you can buy EQP for later use.

Of course, websites are not networks, and this analogy is far from perfect. But useful.

How much is a Bitcoin worth
No one knows. A few people are speculating its worth based on the potential that Bitcoin will one day become a major world currency that people use in their daily lives. Most people though are speculating its worth based on what the next new investor will pay them for it (google “Greater Fool Investing”).

Even if a crypto currency becomes dominant, who says it will be Bitcoin? Maybe it will be Schmitcoin?
This is completely possible. Bitcoin and Ether are the most likely at this point, but their long term survival is not at all guaranteed.

So why all the fuss about Bitcoin? Shouldn’t we wait for Schmitcoin and its cousins to come out?
You could, but you don’t want to ignore how hard it is to start up a network from scratch. It may be that as little as one person can create rival code to compete with the existing digital currencies and blockchains, but one person is not a network. You need a lot of highly technical and motivated people to join you and also to invest their time, energy, and money in making that network run. It’s a highly specialized group of people, and most of the people who would fit that profile are already tied up with an existing network. So it’s not impossible, especially in the long-term, but even if it does happen it would be unlikely to pop up overnight and so Vegas odds for Bitcoin are way shorter.

Let’s go back to the Dansdeals analogy. Imagine that Dansdeals is not the only such website, and there are other websites in existence that provide similar services. For the sake of the analogy let’s call them MMS and OMAAT. They too have big enough followings to survive independently, and even though each one offers a slightly different flavor that differentiates them, anyone on one of the networks could also get their most important needs met on one of the other networks. In this analogy, do you think it’s worth collecting EQP/HT or not? After all, Schmansdeals.com could open up one day and all the business could move there.

The argument for the difficulty of starting up a rival blockchain network is much stronger than in the analogy (especially if we start to include “smart contracts” in the discussion), but the basic idea that you need a critical mass of follows to be successful and compete with existing rivals is the same.

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1840 on: June 23, 2022, 10:43:53 PM »
Correct, bitcoin is not an inflation hedge. It is non-inflationary. There's an important distinction because bitcoin is not operating as a currency currently

Bitcoin operates as it does. Currently, a lot of people are not using bitcoin as a currency. There are some who do.
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1841 on: June 24, 2022, 01:11:47 AM »
Bitcoin operates as it does. Currently, a lot of people are not using bitcoin as a currency. There are some who do.

It’s not optimized to be used a currency even if some are using it for that. The cost to transact and slow confirmation times makes it unusable as practical every day currency.
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1842 on: June 24, 2022, 09:51:21 AM »
It’s not optimized to be used a currency even if some are using it for that. The cost to transact and slow confirmation times makes it unusable as practical every day currency.

The optimizations are being built as we speak. I have transacted with lightning for everyday purchases.

Also consider that wait time for confirmations (1, 2, 6 or however many is your standard) is the FINAL settlement. What is the equivalent in fiat banking? 24 hours? A week? A month? There are all these buffers, or "trusted" 3rd parties, in place that don't allow every day users to understand the true cost (time and money) of their transactions.
 

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1843 on: June 24, 2022, 10:58:18 AM »
The optimizations are being built as we speak.

Yawn, I’ve been hearing this for a decade.
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1844 on: June 24, 2022, 11:50:35 AM »
Yawn, I’ve been hearing this for a decade.

It'll happen, I'm just convinced that it won't be Bitcoin in the end. A decade hasn't been enough time- every time adoption increases, new scaling problems are discovered, and the setbacks from splintering are also getting in the way of problem solving. A few years ago I felt (and probably posted to this effect) that Bitcoin was a trial product that would pave the way for Ethereum's success. Now Ethereum seems to be bogged down in much the same way. BSC is easily the best network, but they're seemingly not trying to use their coin for day to day currency.

I could see a centralized crypto succeeding (i.e. government run) because they can force adoption and throw unlimited unincentivized labor into problem solving, which will then pave the way for some lighter weight networks to do a fast follow

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1845 on: June 30, 2022, 12:35:00 PM »
That would destroy BTC permanently. I calculated the point of no return a while back at 13k or so.
so far $19k seems to be a floor. Any -shot in the dark- predictions on the next floor if it breaks under $19k. I’m guessing if $13 is no return that it would take a lot to get anywhere close to it.

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1846 on: June 30, 2022, 01:00:18 PM »
so far $19k seems to be a floor. Any -shot in the dark- predictions on the next floor if it breaks under $19k. I’m guessing if $13 is no return that it would take a lot to get anywhere close to it.

If we're still talking about it, we haven't reached the floor

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1847 on: June 30, 2022, 01:21:44 PM »
If we're still talking about it, we haven't reached the floor
I was talking about the past but I see what you mean.

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1848 on: June 30, 2022, 03:57:06 PM »
There is no floor because it has no value. The only value it has is when one fool will pay more for it than the last fool.

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1852 on: September 21, 2022, 11:41:48 AM »
And in obvious things are obvious:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/bill-gates-says-cryptocurrencies-and-nfts-are-100-based-on-greater-fool-theory-11655302143

A good comeback would be to write an article explaining that the Gates Foundation is useless and obsolete because we just need to give disadvantaged people clean drinking water, proper sewage access, and preventative medications.

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1853 on: November 09, 2022, 11:18:58 AM »
That would destroy BTC permanently. I calculated the point of no return a while back at 13k or so.
almost down to 17k. Would be something if it sank to ~13k and that was the floor before shooting up.

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1854 on: November 09, 2022, 05:20:56 PM »

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1855 on: November 09, 2022, 05:27:10 PM »
I find it funny that the currency that is meant to protect against fiat central banks and inflation has been the biggest  benefactor of said system.

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1856 on: November 09, 2022, 05:33:57 PM »
This is a blood in the streets situation. What will you do?

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1857 on: November 09, 2022, 05:34:42 PM »
This is a blood in the streets situation. What will you do?
Stay inside.  :)
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1858 on: November 09, 2022, 09:51:55 PM »
For those who aren’t following FTX went down; it’s sort of like the 2008 Lehman Bros collapse of crypto.

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1859 on: November 10, 2022, 12:48:52 AM »
For those who aren’t following FTX went down; it’s sort of like the 2008 Lehman Bros collapse of crypto.
Ouch!!!
Guess it is time for me to ask: Are we there yet?
https://seekingalpha.com/article/4555420-bitcoin-bombshell-ftx-32-billion-exchange-brink-of-collapse
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