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What are blockchains and bitcoins and what is the difference?
A blockchain is the fundamental element in a crypto currency system. A blockchain is an accounting ledger. Each block contains a bunch of journal entries (i.e. a chronological record of transactions) that gets encrypted (by miners) but can be downloaded and read by anyone on the network. Why the blockchain ledger is secure and how we can vouch for its integrity is a slightly more advanced topic.

An accounting ledger typically keeps track of money, and a blockchain is no different. But the only type of money that it can accurately track is digital money that lives on the blockchain network. So dollars, euros, etc are out. The digital money that lives on the blockchain is called a crypto currency, and the most well-known one at this time is Bitcoin.

Currently there are a few major blockchain networks: the Bitcoin Network, the Ethereum Network, and the Litecoin Network. Each one has its own currency, which are Bitcoin, Ether, and Litecoin, respectively.

I’m just a simple DDFer and not an accountant + cryptographer + hacker all at the same time. Can you make this a little simpler to understand?
Let’s try an analogy. There is a certain website called Dansdeals.com and it has quite a following. Some of the followers are just users/readers but others are more active and produce value for the website. When they provide value, they earn currency for their work – called “EQP” and “HT”. So we have something we will call the Dansdeals Blockchain Network that is simply a record keeper of various ongoing deals and it issues a native currency that is fractionable (10,000 EQP = 1 HT). This is similar to the Blockchain network recording financial transactions and issuing bitcoins. The ones who work for the network (miners) earn bitcoins and everyone else needs to buy it to participate.

The analogy improves if you imagine that the Dansdeals website visitors have to pay a small amount, let’s say 5 EQP, in order to access a deal or a code that is recorded on the network. If the website has 30,000 followers who love deals, but only 1,000 active members who earn EQP, then you can see that there is a need for a marketplace to be created where you can buy EQP for later use.

Of course, websites are not networks, and this analogy is far from perfect. But useful.

How much is a Bitcoin worth
No one knows. A few people are speculating its worth based on the potential that Bitcoin will one day become a major world currency that people use in their daily lives. Most people though are speculating its worth based on what the next new investor will pay them for it (google “Greater Fool Investing”).

Even if a crypto currency becomes dominant, who says it will be Bitcoin? Maybe it will be Schmitcoin?
This is completely possible. Bitcoin and Ether are the most likely at this point, but their long term survival is not at all guaranteed.

So why all the fuss about Bitcoin? Shouldn’t we wait for Schmitcoin and its cousins to come out?
You could, but you don’t want to ignore how hard it is to start up a network from scratch. It may be that as little as one person can create rival code to compete with the existing digital currencies and blockchains, but one person is not a network. You need a lot of highly technical and motivated people to join you and also to invest their time, energy, and money in making that network run. It’s a highly specialized group of people, and most of the people who would fit that profile are already tied up with an existing network. So it’s not impossible, especially in the long-term, but even if it does happen it would be unlikely to pop up overnight and so Vegas odds for Bitcoin are way shorter.

Let’s go back to the Dansdeals analogy. Imagine that Dansdeals is not the only such website, and there are other websites in existence that provide similar services. For the sake of the analogy let’s call them MMS and OMAAT. They too have big enough followings to survive independently, and even though each one offers a slightly different flavor that differentiates them, anyone on one of the networks could also get their most important needs met on one of the other networks. In this analogy, do you think it’s worth collecting EQP/HT or not? After all, Schmansdeals.com could open up one day and all the business could move there.

The argument for the difficulty of starting up a rival blockchain network is much stronger than in the analogy (especially if we start to include “smart contracts” in the discussion), but the basic idea that you need a critical mass of follows to be successful and compete with existing rivals is the same.

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1860 on: November 10, 2022, 02:40:46 AM »
I find it funny that the currency that is meant to protect against fiat central banks and inflation has been the biggest  benefactor of said system.

How’s that? If anything, the issues with that affect FTX affects all banks worldwide, but don’t affect the currency at all.
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1861 on: November 10, 2022, 09:20:32 AM »
For those who aren’t following FTX went down; it’s sort of like the 2008 Lehman Bros collapse of crypto.

“But they’re just an exchange, the actual value is stored on the blockchain”

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1862 on: November 10, 2022, 10:23:07 AM »
For those who aren’t following FTX went down; it’s sort of like the 2008 Lehman Bros collapse of crypto.
https://www.axios.com/2022/11/10/ftx-collapse-crypto-lehman

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1863 on: November 10, 2022, 10:30:53 AM »
“But they’re just an exchange, the actual value is stored on the blockchain”

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Is this sarcastic, or is it helpful to explain that FTX was pretending to have assets when they didn't. Nothing to do with the value of bitcoin itself. More like Enron than Lehman. The dollar didnt become worthless when Enron got caught padding their balance sheet

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1864 on: November 10, 2022, 10:48:40 AM »
Is this sarcastic, or is it helpful to explain that FTX was pretending to have assets when they didn't. Nothing to do with the value of bitcoin itself. More like Enron than Lehman. The dollar didnt become worthless when Enron got caught padding their balance sheet
Are you trying to pretend this crap is back by something?
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1865 on: November 10, 2022, 01:42:39 PM »
Are you trying to pretend this crap is back by something?

Yes, coins on an exchange are supposed to be backed by coins on the blockchain. In this case there were more coins on the exchange than the exchange held on the blockchain. Don't let your opinions about crypto's ultimate worth stop you from seeing the difference between an account with verifiable assets vs unverifiable.

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1866 on: November 12, 2022, 06:39:32 PM »
For those who aren’t following FTX went down; it’s sort of like the 2008 Lehman Bros collapse of crypto.
More like finding out that Lehman was really only a ponzi scheme the whole time.

https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/currencies/ftx-crash-theranos-madoff-lehman-brothers-sam-bankman-fried-sec-2022-11
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1867 on: November 13, 2022, 10:33:28 AM »
Coinbase self hosted wallet is safe?
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1868 on: November 13, 2022, 03:30:08 PM »
Coinbase self hosted wallet is safe?

Do you have the 12 or 24 seed words for the wallet?
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1869 on: November 13, 2022, 03:34:59 PM »
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1870 on: November 18, 2022, 10:35:32 AM »
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1873 on: November 19, 2022, 10:07:50 PM »
I guess this means it's time to invest big in crypto? Or do we have to wait for Cramer to say it.
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1875 on: November 20, 2022, 09:44:29 AM »
FTR, Krugman has always been a crypto skeptic.
As soon as he made it about politics he lost all credibility. He has a long record of allowing politics to taint his economics.
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1876 on: November 20, 2022, 09:50:39 AM »
As soon as he made it about politics he lost all credibility. He has a long record of allowing politics to taint his economics.
Is crypto a D or R thing? Didn't know it was political.
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« Reply #1877 on: November 20, 2022, 09:55:02 AM »
Is crypto a D or R thing? Didn't know it was political.
Neither did I, but just look at how the article starts.
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1878 on: November 20, 2022, 10:00:51 AM »
Neither did I, but just look at how the article starts.
I am confused. Where does Krugman make it about politics?
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1879 on: November 20, 2022, 10:06:33 AM »
Is crypto a D or R thing? Didn't know it was political.

Broadly, bitcoin is anti-institutional (separation of money and state) and attracted people of those convictions from both parties. But of late, D's have become highly pro-institutional, forcing that element out of the circle. Not sure if they became reluctant Rs or stayed disenfranchised.

I think the horse-shoe graphic is a great illustration (though it's frame around trust in health TM), Bitcoin can be found in the middle bottom.



Additionally, since separation of state and money, essentially falls under limiting gov, or anti BigGov- it has (more recently) attracted a larger right-wing following.
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