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What are blockchains and bitcoins and what is the difference?
A blockchain is the fundamental element in a crypto currency system. A blockchain is an accounting ledger. Each block contains a bunch of journal entries (i.e. a chronological record of transactions) that gets encrypted (by miners) but can be downloaded and read by anyone on the network. Why the blockchain ledger is secure and how we can vouch for its integrity is a slightly more advanced topic.

An accounting ledger typically keeps track of money, and a blockchain is no different. But the only type of money that it can accurately track is digital money that lives on the blockchain network. So dollars, euros, etc are out. The digital money that lives on the blockchain is called a crypto currency, and the most well-known one at this time is Bitcoin.

Currently there are a few major blockchain networks: the Bitcoin Network, the Ethereum Network, and the Litecoin Network. Each one has its own currency, which are Bitcoin, Ether, and Litecoin, respectively.

I’m just a simple DDFer and not an accountant + cryptographer + hacker all at the same time. Can you make this a little simpler to understand?
Let’s try an analogy. There is a certain website called Dansdeals.com and it has quite a following. Some of the followers are just users/readers but others are more active and produce value for the website. When they provide value, they earn currency for their work – called “EQP” and “HT”. So we have something we will call the Dansdeals Blockchain Network that is simply a record keeper of various ongoing deals and it issues a native currency that is fractionable (10,000 EQP = 1 HT). This is similar to the Blockchain network recording financial transactions and issuing bitcoins. The ones who work for the network (miners) earn bitcoins and everyone else needs to buy it to participate.

The analogy improves if you imagine that the Dansdeals website visitors have to pay a small amount, let’s say 5 EQP, in order to access a deal or a code that is recorded on the network. If the website has 30,000 followers who love deals, but only 1,000 active members who earn EQP, then you can see that there is a need for a marketplace to be created where you can buy EQP for later use.

Of course, websites are not networks, and this analogy is far from perfect. But useful.

How much is a Bitcoin worth
No one knows. A few people are speculating its worth based on the potential that Bitcoin will one day become a major world currency that people use in their daily lives. Most people though are speculating its worth based on what the next new investor will pay them for it (google “Greater Fool Investing”).

Even if a crypto currency becomes dominant, who says it will be Bitcoin? Maybe it will be Schmitcoin?
This is completely possible. Bitcoin and Ether are the most likely at this point, but their long term survival is not at all guaranteed.

So why all the fuss about Bitcoin? Shouldn’t we wait for Schmitcoin and its cousins to come out?
You could, but you don’t want to ignore how hard it is to start up a network from scratch. It may be that as little as one person can create rival code to compete with the existing digital currencies and blockchains, but one person is not a network. You need a lot of highly technical and motivated people to join you and also to invest their time, energy, and money in making that network run. It’s a highly specialized group of people, and most of the people who would fit that profile are already tied up with an existing network. So it’s not impossible, especially in the long-term, but even if it does happen it would be unlikely to pop up overnight and so Vegas odds for Bitcoin are way shorter.

Let’s go back to the Dansdeals analogy. Imagine that Dansdeals is not the only such website, and there are other websites in existence that provide similar services. For the sake of the analogy let’s call them MMS and OMAAT. They too have big enough followings to survive independently, and even though each one offers a slightly different flavor that differentiates them, anyone on one of the networks could also get their most important needs met on one of the other networks. In this analogy, do you think it’s worth collecting EQP/HT or not? After all, Schmansdeals.com could open up one day and all the business could move there.

The argument for the difficulty of starting up a rival blockchain network is much stronger than in the analogy (especially if we start to include “smart contracts” in the discussion), but the basic idea that you need a critical mass of follows to be successful and compete with existing rivals is the same.

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1900 on: December 12, 2022, 07:47:32 PM »
He hasn't said anything of value, he's just pretending to be dumb and the dems are eating it up. Oh, and both his parents are Stanford law professors.

Is he that brilliant that he's guaranteed not to have a slip of the tongue?
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« Reply #1901 on: December 12, 2022, 07:53:56 PM »
I would guess any competent attorney would tell him to remain silent.
He's said multiple times that his lawyers have told him to shut up and not talk to anyone, but that he's not listening to them. It may all be part of his effort to paint the picture of a kid who just doesn't know better. So far his plan seems to be working incredibly well, as @yuneeq said.

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1902 on: December 12, 2022, 08:02:08 PM »
He's said multiple times that his lawyers have told him to shut up and not talk to anyone, but that he's not listening to them. It may all be part of his effort to paint the picture of a kid who just doesn't know better. So far his plan seems to be working incredibly well, as @yuneeq said.
Wasn’t such a smart idea to let a kid that doesn’t know better manage billions of dollars of people’s savings. The guy should be held liable imho.

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1903 on: December 12, 2022, 08:31:11 PM »
He hasn't said anything of value, he's just pretending to be dumb and the dems are eating it up. Oh, and both his parents are Stanford law professors.
Time to move to the politics thread? Some can't help themselves.  :)
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1904 on: December 12, 2022, 09:40:14 PM »
What’s going to be with his testifying for congress tomorrow?

I was wondering why they didn't wait till after his testimony to arrest him, to get him on the record under oath.

I guess they have enough on him that he is going away for a long time regardless, so they didn't bother waiting in order to add some lying to Congress charges.

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1905 on: December 12, 2022, 09:56:18 PM »
My biggest question right now is why he didn’t run while he still could. Could’ve gone somewhere that doesn’t extradite to the US. I’m sure there are lots of fine places that fit the bill.

Did he really think they weren’t coming for him? Or did he decide to let the legal process play itself out?

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1906 on: December 12, 2022, 10:05:30 PM »
My biggest question right now is why he didn’t run while he still could. Could’ve gone somewhere that doesn’t extradite to the US. I’m sure there are lots of fine places that fit the bill.

Is the US the only country that wants him?

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1907 on: December 12, 2022, 10:41:31 PM »
No chance for recovery. They took gains back from Madoff's investors to pay people who lost their principal, no one identifiable in the former class here

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« Reply #1908 on: December 12, 2022, 10:44:30 PM »
No chance for recovery. They took gains back from Madoff's investors to pay people who lost their principal, no one identifiable in the former class here
They may take from Alameda to pay FTX retail users.
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1909 on: December 12, 2022, 11:11:15 PM »
They may take from Alameda to pay FTX retail users.
As far as I understand from the news there isn’t much left in Alameda to cover the losses.

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« Reply #1910 on: December 12, 2022, 11:18:48 PM »
As far as I understand from the news there isn’t much left in Alameda to cover the losses.
That may be net of liabilities
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1911 on: December 13, 2022, 10:35:14 AM »
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1912 on: December 13, 2022, 11:08:10 AM »
Could anyone explain this bit of information from the video above?

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1913 on: December 13, 2022, 11:20:55 AM »


I'm trying to wrap my head around what he was saying at the end of the interview (starting at 11:18). Did he really at any point prior to the FTX fiasco think that there was a reason to "invest" in "crypto tokens that have no utility, no value, no merit"? Did he previously think that there was a reason to buy 30 positions?
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1914 on: December 13, 2022, 11:28:37 AM »
Did he really at any point prior to the FTX fiasco think that there was a reason to "invest" in "crypto tokens that have no utility, no value, no merit"? Did he previously think that there was a reason to buy 30 positions?
Yes and yes but he will only invest in about 5 now.
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1915 on: December 13, 2022, 12:26:40 PM »
Yes and yes but he will only invest in about 5 now.

And we're supposed to take this guy seriously?

While there are some things he is saying that I don't disagree with, anyone who "invested" in 30 different crypto tokens is no different than a drunkard at a casino.
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« Reply #1916 on: December 13, 2022, 12:26:52 PM »
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1917 on: December 13, 2022, 01:57:03 PM »
And we're supposed to take this guy seriously?
He has a track record. He puts his money where his mouth is.
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1918 on: December 19, 2022, 07:10:42 PM »
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1919 on: January 04, 2024, 05:37:03 PM »
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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