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What are blockchains and bitcoins and what is the difference?
A blockchain is the fundamental element in a crypto currency system. A blockchain is an accounting ledger. Each block contains a bunch of journal entries (i.e. a chronological record of transactions) that gets encrypted (by miners) but can be downloaded and read by anyone on the network. Why the blockchain ledger is secure and how we can vouch for its integrity is a slightly more advanced topic.

An accounting ledger typically keeps track of money, and a blockchain is no different. But the only type of money that it can accurately track is digital money that lives on the blockchain network. So dollars, euros, etc are out. The digital money that lives on the blockchain is called a crypto currency, and the most well-known one at this time is Bitcoin.

Currently there are a few major blockchain networks: the Bitcoin Network, the Ethereum Network, and the Litecoin Network. Each one has its own currency, which are Bitcoin, Ether, and Litecoin, respectively.

I’m just a simple DDFer and not an accountant + cryptographer + hacker all at the same time. Can you make this a little simpler to understand?
Let’s try an analogy. There is a certain website called Dansdeals.com and it has quite a following. Some of the followers are just users/readers but others are more active and produce value for the website. When they provide value, they earn currency for their work – called “EQP” and “HT”. So we have something we will call the Dansdeals Blockchain Network that is simply a record keeper of various ongoing deals and it issues a native currency that is fractionable (10,000 EQP = 1 HT). This is similar to the Blockchain network recording financial transactions and issuing bitcoins. The ones who work for the network (miners) earn bitcoins and everyone else needs to buy it to participate.

The analogy improves if you imagine that the Dansdeals website visitors have to pay a small amount, let’s say 5 EQP, in order to access a deal or a code that is recorded on the network. If the website has 30,000 followers who love deals, but only 1,000 active members who earn EQP, then you can see that there is a need for a marketplace to be created where you can buy EQP for later use.

Of course, websites are not networks, and this analogy is far from perfect. But useful.

How much is a Bitcoin worth
No one knows. A few people are speculating its worth based on the potential that Bitcoin will one day become a major world currency that people use in their daily lives. Most people though are speculating its worth based on what the next new investor will pay them for it (google “Greater Fool Investing”).

Even if a crypto currency becomes dominant, who says it will be Bitcoin? Maybe it will be Schmitcoin?
This is completely possible. Bitcoin and Ether are the most likely at this point, but their long term survival is not at all guaranteed.

So why all the fuss about Bitcoin? Shouldn’t we wait for Schmitcoin and its cousins to come out?
You could, but you don’t want to ignore how hard it is to start up a network from scratch. It may be that as little as one person can create rival code to compete with the existing digital currencies and blockchains, but one person is not a network. You need a lot of highly technical and motivated people to join you and also to invest their time, energy, and money in making that network run. It’s a highly specialized group of people, and most of the people who would fit that profile are already tied up with an existing network. So it’s not impossible, especially in the long-term, but even if it does happen it would be unlikely to pop up overnight and so Vegas odds for Bitcoin are way shorter.

Let’s go back to the Dansdeals analogy. Imagine that Dansdeals is not the only such website, and there are other websites in existence that provide similar services. For the sake of the analogy let’s call them MMS and OMAAT. They too have big enough followings to survive independently, and even though each one offers a slightly different flavor that differentiates them, anyone on one of the networks could also get their most important needs met on one of the other networks. In this analogy, do you think it’s worth collecting EQP/HT or not? After all, Schmansdeals.com could open up one day and all the business could move there.

The argument for the difficulty of starting up a rival blockchain network is much stronger than in the analogy (especially if we start to include “smart contracts” in the discussion), but the basic idea that you need a critical mass of follows to be successful and compete with existing rivals is the same.

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #900 on: February 04, 2018, 11:55:57 AM »
Right now the total market cap for crypto is about $400b according to CoinMarketCap.com.
If you believe it’s all a bubble, where do you think the market cap will be in x months? Anyone interested in making bets?
The 2 may have nothing to do with each other.
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #901 on: February 04, 2018, 11:56:36 AM »
The 2 have nothing to do with each other.

What 2?
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #902 on: February 04, 2018, 11:57:56 AM »
What 2?
Market cap and whether Bitcoin is/was a bubble. But see my correction to previous post
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #903 on: February 04, 2018, 12:01:47 PM »
Market cap and whether Bitcoin is/was a bubble.

I didn’t mention bitcoin. I understood that some here believe that all crypto is worthless digital fiat and want to see if in that is in fact the case. It seems from your response that you don’t think all crypto is worthless.
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #904 on: February 04, 2018, 12:04:01 PM »
I didn’t mention bitcoin. I understood that some here believe that all crypto is worthless digital fiat and want to see if in that is in fact the case. It seems from your response that you don’t think all crypto is worthless.
It is not fiat at all. They have a place in today's economy, but mainly as a medium for transactions. That gives it a much lower value than the current one.
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #905 on: February 04, 2018, 12:04:41 PM »
Well, if you judge by the last month, then we see that market cap halves every month. 

So in a year, should be pretty small

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #906 on: February 04, 2018, 12:05:54 PM »
It is not fiat at all. They have a place in today's economy, but mainly as a medium for transactions. That gives it a much lower value than the current one.

Well, if you judge by the last month, then we see that market cap halves every month. 

So in a year, should be pretty small

Any bets?
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #907 on: February 04, 2018, 12:07:03 PM »
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #908 on: February 04, 2018, 12:08:23 PM »
Any bets?
I wouldn't bet either way since I have no basis for any firm valuation number and the market can definitely remain irrational for quite some time. On what basis are you valuating it that makes ou say it will be worth more or less than now?
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #909 on: February 04, 2018, 12:08:56 PM »
Any bets?

Yes, I am betting. I'm betting by not investing in it.

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #910 on: February 04, 2018, 12:10:46 PM »
Yes, I am betting. I'm betting by not investing in it.
How about by shorting it?
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #911 on: February 04, 2018, 12:11:24 PM »
Yes, I am betting. I'm betting by not investing in it.

So you believe it will be worth less in 6 months than it is today? Why are you scared to put money on that? Free money

Sure what's the bet?

Total market cap will be above 300b in 3 months or above 400b in 6 months.
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #912 on: February 04, 2018, 12:11:49 PM »
How about by shorting it?
Someone is already doing that and making a killing!!!
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #913 on: February 04, 2018, 12:12:54 PM »
Total market cap will be above 300b in 3 months or above 400b in 6 months.
Give me a crypto you believe in and a price.
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #914 on: February 04, 2018, 12:13:00 PM »
Someone is already doing that and making a killing!!!
Yes, but that person is a chartist and bases trades not on intrinsic value but rather on various momentum moves.
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #915 on: February 04, 2018, 12:13:39 PM »
So you believe it will be worth less in 6 months than it is today? Why are you scared to put money on that? Free money

Total market cap will be above 300b in 3 months or above 400b in 6 months.
Who cares about market cap?
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #916 on: February 04, 2018, 12:13:52 PM »
How about by shorting it?

I could.  But it's clear I'm already betting by not being in it.

The real cryptokooks think that in a couple years, all our dollars will be worthless. If they're right, then all my cash savings will be wiped out

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« Reply #917 on: February 04, 2018, 12:14:59 PM »
I could.  But it's clear I'm already betting by not being in it.

The real cryptokooks think that in a couple years, all our dollars will be worthless. If they're right, then all my cash savings will be wiped out
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #918 on: February 04, 2018, 12:15:40 PM »
I could.  But it's clear I'm already betting by not being in it.
So any stock you don't own is a bet?
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #919 on: February 04, 2018, 12:16:09 PM »
weak
I wouldn't even give him that.  :)
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