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What are blockchains and bitcoins and what is the difference?
A blockchain is the fundamental element in a crypto currency system. A blockchain is an accounting ledger. Each block contains a bunch of journal entries (i.e. a chronological record of transactions) that gets encrypted (by miners) but can be downloaded and read by anyone on the network. Why the blockchain ledger is secure and how we can vouch for its integrity is a slightly more advanced topic.

An accounting ledger typically keeps track of money, and a blockchain is no different. But the only type of money that it can accurately track is digital money that lives on the blockchain network. So dollars, euros, etc are out. The digital money that lives on the blockchain is called a crypto currency, and the most well-known one at this time is Bitcoin.

Currently there are a few major blockchain networks: the Bitcoin Network, the Ethereum Network, and the Litecoin Network. Each one has its own currency, which are Bitcoin, Ether, and Litecoin, respectively.

I’m just a simple DDFer and not an accountant + cryptographer + hacker all at the same time. Can you make this a little simpler to understand?
Let’s try an analogy. There is a certain website called Dansdeals.com and it has quite a following. Some of the followers are just users/readers but others are more active and produce value for the website. When they provide value, they earn currency for their work – called “EQP” and “HT”. So we have something we will call the Dansdeals Blockchain Network that is simply a record keeper of various ongoing deals and it issues a native currency that is fractionable (10,000 EQP = 1 HT). This is similar to the Blockchain network recording financial transactions and issuing bitcoins. The ones who work for the network (miners) earn bitcoins and everyone else needs to buy it to participate.

The analogy improves if you imagine that the Dansdeals website visitors have to pay a small amount, let’s say 5 EQP, in order to access a deal or a code that is recorded on the network. If the website has 30,000 followers who love deals, but only 1,000 active members who earn EQP, then you can see that there is a need for a marketplace to be created where you can buy EQP for later use.

Of course, websites are not networks, and this analogy is far from perfect. But useful.

How much is a Bitcoin worth
No one knows. A few people are speculating its worth based on the potential that Bitcoin will one day become a major world currency that people use in their daily lives. Most people though are speculating its worth based on what the next new investor will pay them for it (google “Greater Fool Investing”).

Even if a crypto currency becomes dominant, who says it will be Bitcoin? Maybe it will be Schmitcoin?
This is completely possible. Bitcoin and Ether are the most likely at this point, but their long term survival is not at all guaranteed.

So why all the fuss about Bitcoin? Shouldn’t we wait for Schmitcoin and its cousins to come out?
You could, but you don’t want to ignore how hard it is to start up a network from scratch. It may be that as little as one person can create rival code to compete with the existing digital currencies and blockchains, but one person is not a network. You need a lot of highly technical and motivated people to join you and also to invest their time, energy, and money in making that network run. It’s a highly specialized group of people, and most of the people who would fit that profile are already tied up with an existing network. So it’s not impossible, especially in the long-term, but even if it does happen it would be unlikely to pop up overnight and so Vegas odds for Bitcoin are way shorter.

Let’s go back to the Dansdeals analogy. Imagine that Dansdeals is not the only such website, and there are other websites in existence that provide similar services. For the sake of the analogy let’s call them MMS and OMAAT. They too have big enough followings to survive independently, and even though each one offers a slightly different flavor that differentiates them, anyone on one of the networks could also get their most important needs met on one of the other networks. In this analogy, do you think it’s worth collecting EQP/HT or not? After all, Schmansdeals.com could open up one day and all the business could move there.

The argument for the difficulty of starting up a rival blockchain network is much stronger than in the analogy (especially if we start to include “smart contracts” in the discussion), but the basic idea that you need a critical mass of follows to be successful and compete with existing rivals is the same.

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1240 on: November 26, 2020, 09:51:13 PM »
https://cointelegraph.com/news/paypal-suspends-user-for-crypto-trading-using-paypal-s-own-service

BTW, I don't see an option to purchase Crypto Currencies on my (business) PayPal account. Haven't yet checked DW's personal PayPal account.
Not sure about that. But FYI there is an ETF called GBTC that tracks bitcoin.

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1241 on: November 26, 2020, 10:52:03 PM »
Not sure about that. But FYI there is an ETF called GBTC that tracks bitcoin.
I am fully aware of GBTC and it doesn't track exactly. And is probably less liquid than BTC. It only trades during market hours.

Same sponsor also has ETHE for Ethereum and GDLC for a basket of crypto.
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1243 on: December 27, 2020, 09:25:38 AM »

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1245 on: December 28, 2020, 11:33:29 PM »
Governments will eventually make it illegal and it will go to zero. Governments are way too powerful to allow themselves to lose the ability to control money production.
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« Reply #1246 on: December 28, 2020, 11:34:51 PM »
Governments will eventually make it illegal and it will go to zero. Governments are way too powerful to allow themselves to lose the ability to control money production.

They did try something similar with Gold in the US once upon a time.

Once the Genie is out of the box, making it illegal might have the opposite effect. Though I do get the difference in the case of BTC, but as pointed out in the tweet thread, it seems like BTC has reached a different status at this point. It is NOT XRP!!!
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1247 on: January 03, 2021, 04:19:21 AM »
Is it worth investing in Bitcoin hoping it will hit 50k?

 Hitting myslef over my head for not putting in at 23k now that it's at 34k.

 I'm thinking now that there's more minors than ever with so many people working at home the stock will keep on soaring throughout this year.

 What's your guys take? Worth putting in a few bucks for a nice return?

What platform do you guys use to buy bitcoin? Any specific site that you would suggest?

 Just the two off hand I had played around with were PayPal and cash app.

 PayPal was more expensive(more fees) and gave you a higher price in the market to buy.
 While cash app was a bit better.
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1248 on: January 03, 2021, 08:28:27 AM »
Is it worth investing in Bitcoin hoping it will hit 50k?

 Hitting myslef over my head for not putting in at 23k now that it's at 34k.

 I'm thinking now that there's more minors than ever with so many people working at home the stock will keep on soaring throughout this year.

 What's your guys take? Worth putting in a few bucks for a nice return?

What platform do you guys use to buy bitcoin? Any specific site that you would suggest?

 Just the two off hand I had played around with were PayPal and cash app.

 PayPal was more expensive(more fees) and gave you a higher price in the market to buy.
 While cash app was a bit better.
A: Don’t put in more then you can safely afford to lose.

B: Just remember that a few short (/very long) month ago, mid March ‘20 it was down to ~$5k.

C: While things are certainly different now then they were by the 2017 bubble (up to $20k, down to ~$4k) it’s certainly possible that things can go sour very quickly again.

That all being said, I use Coinbase Pro for buying / trading.
ETA: from a quick look at fees, to buy 1 BTC now at $34.5k will cost you (in fees):
Coinbase pro = $170.
Cashapp = $265.
PayPal = $515.

And talking about hitting yourself over the head, this is from 2015/2016:

Although living life as “what if what if” will get you nowhere now. Was a profitable trade at that time :(
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1249 on: January 03, 2021, 09:46:55 AM »
Although it's a fun ride to ride with bitcoin,   understand in what you invest.  If you can't understand it then don't. I have to really comprehend this whole blockchain thing is.
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1250 on: January 03, 2021, 09:58:25 AM »
That all being said, I use Coinbase Pro for buying / trading.
ETA: from a quick look at fees, to buy 1 BTC now at $34.5k will cost you (in fees):
Coinbase pro = $170.
Cashapp = $265.
PayPal = $515.
Robinhood = $0.

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1251 on: January 03, 2021, 10:01:20 AM »
Is it worth investing in Bitcoin hoping it will hit 50k?

 Hitting myslef over my head for not putting in at 23k now that it's at 34k.

 I'm thinking now that there's more minors than ever with so many people working at home the stock will keep on soaring throughout this year.

 What's your guys take? Worth putting in a few bucks for a nice return?

What platform do you guys use to buy bitcoin? Any specific site that you would suggest?

 Just the two off hand I had played around with were PayPal and cash app.

 PayPal was more expensive(more fees) and gave you a higher price in the market to buy.
 While cash app was a bit better.
I think bitcoin is was to risky and thus I do not consider it an "investment"

Do you understand the value of bitcoin? How can it become a useful currency while it is so volatile?

I put in $500 in GBTC and made about 70%. Planning on selling tomorrow when the market opens.

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1252 on: January 03, 2021, 10:10:16 AM »
Although it's a fun ride to ride with bitcoin,   understand in what you invest.  If you can't understand it then don't. I have to really comprehend this whole blockchain thing is.
For a clueless individual who didn't understand a thing two weeks ago could have made a nice profit.

   The main difference it seems between bitcoin and other markets is one day it's soaring at crazy numbers and then one day it tanked to the bottom.

   So if one does invest and puts a stop and knows when to pull out your cutting your risks in half.
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1253 on: January 03, 2021, 10:10:53 AM »
Robinhood = $0.
Will check it out. Thanks

 Wonder if when selling the fees are double?
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1254 on: January 03, 2021, 10:12:06 AM »
I just sold off another 15 percent (fractional amount) when BTC passed the 34K mark. The more it goes up the more I sell. I already sold off almost 70 percent of amount I had at the hight since I got into crypto.

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« Reply #1255 on: January 03, 2021, 10:15:36 AM »
Will check it out. Thanks

 Wonder if when selling the fees are double?
I'm told robinhood isn't the right way to roll.
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« Reply #1256 on: January 03, 2021, 10:18:48 AM »
I'm told robinhood isn't the right way to roll.
There has to be something everyone agrees on.
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1257 on: January 03, 2021, 10:21:18 AM »
Will check it out. Thanks

 Wonder if when selling the fees are double?
Nopes. They don’t charge any fees

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1258 on: January 03, 2021, 10:21:50 AM »
I'm told robinhood isn't the right way to roll.
Specifics please. Been using them for stocks and didn’t encounter any issues

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1259 on: January 03, 2021, 10:22:09 AM »
Nopes. They don’t charge any fees
I believe you can’t trade big trades on Robinhood.