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What are blockchains and bitcoins and what is the difference?
A blockchain is the fundamental element in a crypto currency system. A blockchain is an accounting ledger. Each block contains a bunch of journal entries (i.e. a chronological record of transactions) that gets encrypted (by miners) but can be downloaded and read by anyone on the network. Why the blockchain ledger is secure and how we can vouch for its integrity is a slightly more advanced topic.

An accounting ledger typically keeps track of money, and a blockchain is no different. But the only type of money that it can accurately track is digital money that lives on the blockchain network. So dollars, euros, etc are out. The digital money that lives on the blockchain is called a crypto currency, and the most well-known one at this time is Bitcoin.

Currently there are a few major blockchain networks: the Bitcoin Network, the Ethereum Network, and the Litecoin Network. Each one has its own currency, which are Bitcoin, Ether, and Litecoin, respectively.

I’m just a simple DDFer and not an accountant + cryptographer + hacker all at the same time. Can you make this a little simpler to understand?
Let’s try an analogy. There is a certain website called Dansdeals.com and it has quite a following. Some of the followers are just users/readers but others are more active and produce value for the website. When they provide value, they earn currency for their work – called “EQP” and “HT”. So we have something we will call the Dansdeals Blockchain Network that is simply a record keeper of various ongoing deals and it issues a native currency that is fractionable (10,000 EQP = 1 HT). This is similar to the Blockchain network recording financial transactions and issuing bitcoins. The ones who work for the network (miners) earn bitcoins and everyone else needs to buy it to participate.

The analogy improves if you imagine that the Dansdeals website visitors have to pay a small amount, let’s say 5 EQP, in order to access a deal or a code that is recorded on the network. If the website has 30,000 followers who love deals, but only 1,000 active members who earn EQP, then you can see that there is a need for a marketplace to be created where you can buy EQP for later use.

Of course, websites are not networks, and this analogy is far from perfect. But useful.

How much is a Bitcoin worth
No one knows. A few people are speculating its worth based on the potential that Bitcoin will one day become a major world currency that people use in their daily lives. Most people though are speculating its worth based on what the next new investor will pay them for it (google “Greater Fool Investing”).

Even if a crypto currency becomes dominant, who says it will be Bitcoin? Maybe it will be Schmitcoin?
This is completely possible. Bitcoin and Ether are the most likely at this point, but their long term survival is not at all guaranteed.

So why all the fuss about Bitcoin? Shouldn’t we wait for Schmitcoin and its cousins to come out?
You could, but you don’t want to ignore how hard it is to start up a network from scratch. It may be that as little as one person can create rival code to compete with the existing digital currencies and blockchains, but one person is not a network. You need a lot of highly technical and motivated people to join you and also to invest their time, energy, and money in making that network run. It’s a highly specialized group of people, and most of the people who would fit that profile are already tied up with an existing network. So it’s not impossible, especially in the long-term, but even if it does happen it would be unlikely to pop up overnight and so Vegas odds for Bitcoin are way shorter.

Let’s go back to the Dansdeals analogy. Imagine that Dansdeals is not the only such website, and there are other websites in existence that provide similar services. For the sake of the analogy let’s call them MMS and OMAAT. They too have big enough followings to survive independently, and even though each one offers a slightly different flavor that differentiates them, anyone on one of the networks could also get their most important needs met on one of the other networks. In this analogy, do you think it’s worth collecting EQP/HT or not? After all, Schmansdeals.com could open up one day and all the business could move there.

The argument for the difficulty of starting up a rival blockchain network is much stronger than in the analogy (especially if we start to include “smart contracts” in the discussion), but the basic idea that you need a critical mass of follows to be successful and compete with existing rivals is the same.

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1260 on: January 03, 2021, 10:22:43 AM »
Nopes. They don’t charge any fees
What's the catch? Why wouldn't anyone sell here vs elsewhere where there are fees?

   Is there limits? Or restrictions on what you can buy and sell?

I believe you can’t trade big trades on Robinhood.
I guess you answered my question.
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1261 on: January 03, 2021, 10:23:28 AM »
Specifics please. Been using them for stocks and didn’t encounter any issues
I'm referring specifically to bitcoin, they don't actually store the bitcoin rather just give you the right to trade it. Look it up.
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1262 on: January 03, 2021, 10:25:36 AM »
Although it's a fun ride to ride with bitcoin,   understand in what you invest.  If you can't understand it then don't. I have to really comprehend this whole blockchain thing is.

Good luck understanding a house of cards whose only fuel is illegal activity and speculative investing. Fundamentally Bitcoin is inefficient, gets even more inefficient over time, and costs a fortune (in $ and energy) to mine.

If there was value to distributed ledger and hashed transactions, a reliable and scalable platform would be built. But then a trillion dollars in existing BTC “value” would evaporate, so the powers that be won’t let it happen.
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1263 on: January 03, 2021, 10:27:14 AM »
I believe you can’t trade big trades on Robinhood.


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« Reply #1264 on: January 03, 2021, 10:28:02 AM »
Specifics please. Been using them for stocks and didn’t encounter any issues

Potential liquidity issues?
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1265 on: January 03, 2021, 11:27:10 AM »
Is it worth investing in Bitcoin hoping it will hit 50k?

 Hitting myslef over my head for not putting in at 23k now that it's at 34k.

 I'm thinking now that there's more minors than ever with so many people working at home the stock will keep on soaring throughout this year.

 What's your guys take? Worth putting in a few bucks for a nice return?

What platform do you guys use to buy bitcoin? Any specific site that you would suggest?

 Just the two off hand I had played around with were PayPal and cash app.

 PayPal was more expensive(more fees) and gave you a higher price in the market to buy.
 While cash app was a bit better.
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1266 on: January 03, 2021, 11:38:48 AM »
Missed out on this deal?

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bql5FSDnUxW/
Insane. Where was I back then.

 I would have been driving a Tesla if I would have bought two or three bitcoins back then..

  Why wasn't it posted to the main site?  A $30,000 Profit is not posted but a $3 savings is? 😜🙈

 To bad I don't follow you on Instagram.
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1267 on: January 03, 2021, 11:41:30 AM »
Insane. Where was I back then.

 I would have been driving a Tesla if I would have bought two or three bitcoins back then..

  Why wasn't it posted to the main site?  A $30,000 Profit is not posted but a $3 savings is?

 To bad I don't follow you on Instagram.
That was in 2018. You had it for about 5K in April....

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1269 on: January 03, 2021, 03:49:45 PM »
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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« Reply #1270 on: January 03, 2021, 05:42:45 PM »
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« Reply #1271 on: January 03, 2021, 05:49:05 PM »
Insane. Where was I back then.

 I would have been driving a Tesla if I would have bought two or three bitcoins back then..

  Why wasn't it posted to the main site?  A $30,000 Profit is not posted but a $3 savings is? 😜🙈

 To bad I don't follow you on Instagram.
And what if it had gone to to $0?
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1272 on: January 03, 2021, 05:51:17 PM »
https://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-trading-fees-on-paypal-robinhood-cash-app-and-coinbase-what-to-know
They didn't explain which to go with and why one is better than the other. But rather explained each one a bit.
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« Reply #1273 on: January 03, 2021, 05:56:07 PM »
They didn't explain which to go with and why one is better than the other. But rather explained each one a bit.

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« Reply #1274 on: January 03, 2021, 05:56:32 PM »
And what if it had gone to to $0?
There's always the what if's.
 But this time around the what ifs at $34,000.

 I've sold a few coins back when It was at $7-8,000 as well.

 I guess it's all part of trading no way of predicting what will be in years to come.

 While Bitcoin is not the norm when something jumps $30,000 in a few months or weeks.
 Hard cash to be made. But then again a huge risk.
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« Reply #1275 on: January 03, 2021, 05:57:40 PM »
Missed out on this deal?

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bql5FSDnUxW/
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« Reply #1276 on: January 03, 2021, 06:01:27 PM »
Spoonfeeding is against DDF rules.
I've never seen that in the T&C.
 Was it just added recently?

   On a serious note what do I care If i don't have physical access, in any case they're holding it for me, so what do I care how it's being held?

 Why would one go with fees when he can go with Robin Hood and avoid all fees?

 I've never really invested with Robin Hood, is it really that hard to withdraw from them? (Or what was meant when they said they don't have the withdrawing abilities? Withdrawing it to another crypto account? )
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« Reply #1277 on: January 03, 2021, 06:05:03 PM »
They didn't explain which to go with and why one is better than the other. But rather explained each one a bit.
Seems like (and I could be wrong):
PayPal- if you buy from them, you can hold it, but will eventually need to sell back to them at their fees. Can’t  transfer it to another wallet elsewhere.

Robinhood- you can buy and sell in the app, but can’t take money back out to your bank.

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« Reply #1278 on: January 03, 2021, 08:30:29 PM »
I've never seen that in the T&C.
 Was it just added recently?

   On a serious note what do I care If i don't have physical access, in any case they're holding it for me, so what do I care how it's being held?

 Why would one go with fees when he can go with Robin Hood and avoid all fees?

 I've never really invested with Robin Hood, is it really that hard to withdraw from them? (Or what was meant when they said they don't have the withdrawing abilities? Withdrawing it to another crypto account? )
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« Reply #1279 on: January 03, 2021, 08:34:12 PM »
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It's a complex subject, and I am by no means an expert.
Exactly like you said hence wondering if someone here knows the subject.
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