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What are blockchains and bitcoins and what is the difference?
A blockchain is the fundamental element in a crypto currency system. A blockchain is an accounting ledger. Each block contains a bunch of journal entries (i.e. a chronological record of transactions) that gets encrypted (by miners) but can be downloaded and read by anyone on the network. Why the blockchain ledger is secure and how we can vouch for its integrity is a slightly more advanced topic.

An accounting ledger typically keeps track of money, and a blockchain is no different. But the only type of money that it can accurately track is digital money that lives on the blockchain network. So dollars, euros, etc are out. The digital money that lives on the blockchain is called a crypto currency, and the most well-known one at this time is Bitcoin.

Currently there are a few major blockchain networks: the Bitcoin Network, the Ethereum Network, and the Litecoin Network. Each one has its own currency, which are Bitcoin, Ether, and Litecoin, respectively.

I’m just a simple DDFer and not an accountant + cryptographer + hacker all at the same time. Can you make this a little simpler to understand?
Let’s try an analogy. There is a certain website called Dansdeals.com and it has quite a following. Some of the followers are just users/readers but others are more active and produce value for the website. When they provide value, they earn currency for their work – called “EQP” and “HT”. So we have something we will call the Dansdeals Blockchain Network that is simply a record keeper of various ongoing deals and it issues a native currency that is fractionable (10,000 EQP = 1 HT). This is similar to the Blockchain network recording financial transactions and issuing bitcoins. The ones who work for the network (miners) earn bitcoins and everyone else needs to buy it to participate.

The analogy improves if you imagine that the Dansdeals website visitors have to pay a small amount, let’s say 5 EQP, in order to access a deal or a code that is recorded on the network. If the website has 30,000 followers who love deals, but only 1,000 active members who earn EQP, then you can see that there is a need for a marketplace to be created where you can buy EQP for later use.

Of course, websites are not networks, and this analogy is far from perfect. But useful.

How much is a Bitcoin worth
No one knows. A few people are speculating its worth based on the potential that Bitcoin will one day become a major world currency that people use in their daily lives. Most people though are speculating its worth based on what the next new investor will pay them for it (google “Greater Fool Investing”).

Even if a crypto currency becomes dominant, who says it will be Bitcoin? Maybe it will be Schmitcoin?
This is completely possible. Bitcoin and Ether are the most likely at this point, but their long term survival is not at all guaranteed.

So why all the fuss about Bitcoin? Shouldn’t we wait for Schmitcoin and its cousins to come out?
You could, but you don’t want to ignore how hard it is to start up a network from scratch. It may be that as little as one person can create rival code to compete with the existing digital currencies and blockchains, but one person is not a network. You need a lot of highly technical and motivated people to join you and also to invest their time, energy, and money in making that network run. It’s a highly specialized group of people, and most of the people who would fit that profile are already tied up with an existing network. So it’s not impossible, especially in the long-term, but even if it does happen it would be unlikely to pop up overnight and so Vegas odds for Bitcoin are way shorter.

Let’s go back to the Dansdeals analogy. Imagine that Dansdeals is not the only such website, and there are other websites in existence that provide similar services. For the sake of the analogy let’s call them MMS and OMAAT. They too have big enough followings to survive independently, and even though each one offers a slightly different flavor that differentiates them, anyone on one of the networks could also get their most important needs met on one of the other networks. In this analogy, do you think it’s worth collecting EQP/HT or not? After all, Schmansdeals.com could open up one day and all the business could move there.

The argument for the difficulty of starting up a rival blockchain network is much stronger than in the analogy (especially if we start to include “smart contracts” in the discussion), but the basic idea that you need a critical mass of follows to be successful and compete with existing rivals is the same.

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1340 on: January 07, 2021, 11:24:54 AM »
Well worth it, vs paying $270 to buy on cash app or elsewhere.

 Just seemed very busy the whole site.

 The Robin Hood app seems very busy lot going on there.
versus cash app which is such a simplistic site very easy to buy and sell.
What about gemini.com?
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1341 on: January 07, 2021, 11:40:11 AM »
What about gemini.com?
Never heard of it.
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1342 on: January 07, 2021, 11:47:42 AM »
What about gemini.com?

I had an account with Gemini but never used it because they had supported a limited number number of coins, were slow to verify, and slow to credit my $ transfers. Haven't logged in for years so it might be better now. Coinbase and it's Pro version (formerly gdax) are equal or better in every way. I especially liked Coinbase because they paid for transfer fees whenever I wanted to withdraw my coins, but they recently stopped doing that. As far as I know Coinbase Pro is the best exchange available for USA people.

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« Reply #1343 on: January 07, 2021, 11:54:49 AM »
I had an account with Gemini but never used it because they had supported a limited number number of coins, were slow to verify, and slow to credit my $ transfers. Haven't logged in for years so it might be better now. Coinbase and it's Pro version (formerly gdax) are equal or better in every way. I especially liked Coinbase because they paid for transfer fees whenever I wanted to withdraw my coins, but they recently stopped doing that. As far as I know Coinbase Pro is the best exchange available for USA people.
IINM Gemini has lower fees, I only recently signed up and apparently they sometimes require a wired transfer to verify. Which is a big pain and costly.
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« Reply #1344 on: January 07, 2021, 12:03:11 PM »
I had an account with Gemini but never used it because they had supported a limited number number of coins, were slow to verify, and slow to credit my $ transfers. Haven't logged in for years so it might be better now. Coinbase and it's Pro version (formerly gdax) are equal or better in every way. I especially liked Coinbase because they paid for transfer fees whenever I wanted to withdraw my coins, but they recently stopped doing that. As far as I know Coinbase Pro is the best exchange available for USA people.
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« Reply #1345 on: January 07, 2021, 12:04:27 PM »
IINM Gemini has lower fees, I only recently signed up and apparently they sometimes require a wired transfer to verify. Which is a big pain and costly.
Unless you have a premier account with td or chase or any bank that waives the fees for a wire.
  But why a wire? Shouldn't a regular transfer suffice?
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« Reply #1346 on: January 07, 2021, 12:07:14 PM »
Unless you have a premier account with td or chase or any bank that waives the fees for a wire.
  But why a wire? Shouldn't a regular transfer suffice?
I have the same question, and apparently it depends on your luck, they don't ask it from everyone.
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1347 on: January 07, 2021, 12:08:24 PM »
If you sign up for Robinhood Gold your max goes up (its maybe 10 dollars a month)
Why Upgrade to Gold? When you upgrade to Robinhood Gold, you gain access to premium features such as professional research and Level II market data, and instant transfers up to your Portfolio Value starting at $5,000 (up to a max of $50k), rather than just $1,000 with a standard instant account.

 $5k is not going to do it.

  I guess from buying and selling for quite a bit we'll raise your portfolio value?
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« Reply #1348 on: January 07, 2021, 12:14:44 PM »
@yos9694 does coinbase pro charge to deposit?
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1349 on: January 07, 2021, 12:32:14 PM »
@yos9694 does coinbase pro charge to deposit?
ACH deposit and withdrawal is free.
Wire costs $10 for deposit and $25 for withdrawal.

And they have changed things to cut out the waiting time to trade that ACH deposits normally take.
https://blog.coinbase.com/trade-crypto-immediately-with-instant-usd-deposits-6fc509c6c5df

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« Reply #1350 on: January 07, 2021, 12:43:48 PM »
@yos9694 does coinbase pro charge to deposit?

No

(Except for wires as lubaby pointed out. But coin deposits are free which is what I thought you were asking about)

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1351 on: January 07, 2021, 01:57:46 PM »
Coinbase site and app always seem to go down whenever Bitcoin has a big day...very frustrating

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« Reply #1352 on: January 07, 2021, 02:42:20 PM »
ACH deposit and withdrawal is free.
Wire costs $10 for deposit and $25 for withdrawal.

And they have changed things to cut out the waiting time to trade that ACH deposits normally take.
https://blog.coinbase.com/trade-crypto-immediately-with-instant-usd-deposits-6fc509c6c5df
ACH deposit and withdrawal take how long?

 Vs Wire?

 Meaning compared to cash app where the funds are instant when you buy a stock.
 Meaning as long as it's funded with a bank account you're fine.

 Is it the same with Coinbase?

   I guess I'll create an account.
 Any referrals for that? Or?
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« Reply #1353 on: January 07, 2021, 03:01:16 PM »
ACH deposit and withdrawal take how long?

 Vs Wire?

 Meaning compared to cash app where the funds are instant when you buy a stock.
 Meaning as long as it's funded with a bank account you're fine.

 Is it the same with Coinbase?

   I guess I'll create an account.
 Any referrals for that? Or?

It is not like that with Coinbase. You have to wait for funds to clear, can be several days. I haven't put new money in from a bank for a long time (just swapping different coins) so I hope it's faster than the 5 days it used to take. If you think prices are moving really fast, you can use the credit card option and pay 4.5% fee to do so. You wouldn't regret that fee if the coin goes up 10% in 24 hours.

I can give a referral code but not sure what the rules for that are (it's just $10, not $100 anymore)

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« Reply #1354 on: January 07, 2021, 05:19:00 PM »
It is not like that with Coinbase. You have to wait for funds to clear, can be several days. I haven't put new money in from a bank for a long time (just swapping different coins) so I hope it's faster than the 5 days it used to take. If you think prices are moving really fast, you can use the credit card option and pay 4.5% fee to do so. You wouldn't regret that fee if the coin goes up 10% in 24 hours.

I can give a referral code but not sure what the rules for that are (it's just $10, not $100 anymore)
I hear, thanks for explaining.
 So I guess at that point looking around to see what the best rate would be when wanting an instant buy.

And thanks for the ref.

 and when you say swapping to different coins meaning taking one cryptocurrency and buying other cryptocurrencies?
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« Reply #1355 on: January 07, 2021, 05:46:43 PM »
I hear, thanks for explaining.
 So I guess at that point looking around to see what the best rate would be when wanting an instant buy.

And thanks for the ref.

 and when you say swapping to different coins meaning taking one cryptocurrency and buying other cryptocurrencies?

Yes. I've found that alt coins tend to lag bitcoins rallies so I've made some good profits by jumping off of btc as its cresting and then catching a wave shortly afterwards on eth, xrp, xtz, ltc, etc. And when prices start going down i switch to stable coins. But haven't added any new USD to my account recently

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1356 on: January 07, 2021, 06:38:40 PM »
The Bitcoins stolen from Mt. Gox have a current value of $25,544,610,000.00

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« Reply #1357 on: January 07, 2021, 11:01:23 PM »
Yes. I've found that alt coins tend to lag bitcoins rallies so I've made some good profits by jumping off of btc as its cresting and then catching a wave shortly afterwards on eth, xrp, xtz, ltc, etc. And when prices start going down i switch to stable coins. But haven't added any new USD to my account recently
What do you call stable coins?
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« Reply #1358 on: January 08, 2021, 11:47:55 AM »
What do you call stable coins?

It's a global term, not my own- refers to coins that are pegged to a certain benchmark, e.g. the US Dollar. Some examples are Tether (USDT), Dollar Coin (UDSC), and DAI, but there are a ton of others.

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1359 on: January 11, 2021, 02:40:00 PM »
Is now a good time to jump in?