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What are blockchains and bitcoins and what is the difference?
A blockchain is the fundamental element in a crypto currency system. A blockchain is an accounting ledger. Each block contains a bunch of journal entries (i.e. a chronological record of transactions) that gets encrypted (by miners) but can be downloaded and read by anyone on the network. Why the blockchain ledger is secure and how we can vouch for its integrity is a slightly more advanced topic.

An accounting ledger typically keeps track of money, and a blockchain is no different. But the only type of money that it can accurately track is digital money that lives on the blockchain network. So dollars, euros, etc are out. The digital money that lives on the blockchain is called a crypto currency, and the most well-known one at this time is Bitcoin.

Currently there are a few major blockchain networks: the Bitcoin Network, the Ethereum Network, and the Litecoin Network. Each one has its own currency, which are Bitcoin, Ether, and Litecoin, respectively.

I’m just a simple DDFer and not an accountant + cryptographer + hacker all at the same time. Can you make this a little simpler to understand?
Let’s try an analogy. There is a certain website called Dansdeals.com and it has quite a following. Some of the followers are just users/readers but others are more active and produce value for the website. When they provide value, they earn currency for their work – called “EQP” and “HT”. So we have something we will call the Dansdeals Blockchain Network that is simply a record keeper of various ongoing deals and it issues a native currency that is fractionable (10,000 EQP = 1 HT). This is similar to the Blockchain network recording financial transactions and issuing bitcoins. The ones who work for the network (miners) earn bitcoins and everyone else needs to buy it to participate.

The analogy improves if you imagine that the Dansdeals website visitors have to pay a small amount, let’s say 5 EQP, in order to access a deal or a code that is recorded on the network. If the website has 30,000 followers who love deals, but only 1,000 active members who earn EQP, then you can see that there is a need for a marketplace to be created where you can buy EQP for later use.

Of course, websites are not networks, and this analogy is far from perfect. But useful.

How much is a Bitcoin worth
No one knows. A few people are speculating its worth based on the potential that Bitcoin will one day become a major world currency that people use in their daily lives. Most people though are speculating its worth based on what the next new investor will pay them for it (google “Greater Fool Investing”).

Even if a crypto currency becomes dominant, who says it will be Bitcoin? Maybe it will be Schmitcoin?
This is completely possible. Bitcoin and Ether are the most likely at this point, but their long term survival is not at all guaranteed.

So why all the fuss about Bitcoin? Shouldn’t we wait for Schmitcoin and its cousins to come out?
You could, but you don’t want to ignore how hard it is to start up a network from scratch. It may be that as little as one person can create rival code to compete with the existing digital currencies and blockchains, but one person is not a network. You need a lot of highly technical and motivated people to join you and also to invest their time, energy, and money in making that network run. It’s a highly specialized group of people, and most of the people who would fit that profile are already tied up with an existing network. So it’s not impossible, especially in the long-term, but even if it does happen it would be unlikely to pop up overnight and so Vegas odds for Bitcoin are way shorter.

Let’s go back to the Dansdeals analogy. Imagine that Dansdeals is not the only such website, and there are other websites in existence that provide similar services. For the sake of the analogy let’s call them MMS and OMAAT. They too have big enough followings to survive independently, and even though each one offers a slightly different flavor that differentiates them, anyone on one of the networks could also get their most important needs met on one of the other networks. In this analogy, do you think it’s worth collecting EQP/HT or not? After all, Schmansdeals.com could open up one day and all the business could move there.

The argument for the difficulty of starting up a rival blockchain network is much stronger than in the analogy (especially if we start to include “smart contracts” in the discussion), but the basic idea that you need a critical mass of follows to be successful and compete with existing rivals is the same.

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1380 on: January 16, 2021, 10:18:17 PM »
Comes down to this quote from the article:Although, I don't think for most people investing in Gold, it going to $10 (or whatever amount of value you want to ascribe to its physical properties (strictly physical properties. value as Jewelry can be argued is only there since Gold has been considered an asset)) isn't going to help them much more than BTC going to zero.

This is true, however the entire premise that Gold can't go to zero is false. Definitely less likely than Bitcoin going to zero, but still theoretically possible.
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1381 on: January 17, 2021, 12:12:17 PM »
For all the BTC naysayers, please help me understand what gives a pice of cardboard its value?

https://twitter.com/joepompliano/status/1350631081058430978
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1382 on: January 17, 2021, 08:25:55 PM »
More durable than a banana

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1384 on: January 22, 2021, 01:20:37 PM »
i have some XRP sitting around in coinbase. any way to turn thenm into btc or cash? government restricted Ripple for some reason.
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1385 on: January 22, 2021, 01:25:08 PM »
i have some XRP sitting around in coinbase. any way to turn thenm into btc or cash? government restricted Ripple for some reason.

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1386 on: January 22, 2021, 02:36:35 PM »
where do ppl recommend storing some ERC20 alt coins?
Binance.US is taking a while for approval for some reason and need to get them off binance

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1387 on: January 22, 2021, 03:31:46 PM »
where do ppl recommend storing some ERC20 alt coins?
Binance.US is taking a while for approval for some reason and need to get them off binance

Make a paper wallet for yourself and store them there. As long as we're not talking about BIG money it's safe. I used MetaMask in the past and once you get used to it transacting is not difficult

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1388 on: January 24, 2021, 01:25:49 PM »
Make a paper wallet for yourself and store them there. As long as we're not talking about BIG money it's safe. I used MetaMask in the past and once you get used to it transacting is not difficult

The issue is that we dont know if many of the coins will be available to be liquidated on U.S exchanges.

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1389 on: January 24, 2021, 01:47:58 PM »
The issue is that we dont know if many of the coins will be available to be liquidated on U.S exchanges.

Storing is storing and exchanging is not storing. I just gave an eitzah for storing

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1390 on: January 24, 2021, 02:24:31 PM »
Storing is storing and exchanging is not storing. I just gave an eitzah for storing

I understand, I was really addressing a general point about alt coins. My point is that many of these coins are not long term plays so one should find an exchange that would allow you to sell it to make money on it before its price plunges again. Holding random Chinese altcoins in storage is not a great strategy imo.

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1391 on: January 24, 2021, 09:20:33 PM »
Storing is storing and exchanging is not storing. I just gave an eitzah for storing
whats your opinion if its chainlink?

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1392 on: January 24, 2021, 09:25:22 PM »
whats your opinion if its chainlink?

No clue about Link but someone else mentioned it upthread, maybe they can offer an opinion. If you need practical suggestions on how to unload coins that get delisted I'll be happy to help

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1393 on: January 24, 2021, 09:27:09 PM »
No clue about Link but someone else mentioned it upthread, maybe they can offer an opinion. If you need practical suggestions on how to unload coins that get delisted I'll be happy to help
It was probably me.....havent seen anyone else mention it

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1394 on: January 24, 2021, 09:32:52 PM »
Lol. Are you holding onto big amounts? I wouldn't worry about actually being unable to sell them even if exchanges drop them but if you have 5 figures or more I don't think you'd want to resort to doing sneaky things

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1395 on: January 24, 2021, 09:33:50 PM »
Lol. Are you holding onto big amounts? I wouldn't worry about actually being unable to sell them even if exchanges drop them but if you have 5 figures or more I don't think you'd want to resort to doing sneaky things
I dont anticipate exchanges dropping them or to do anything shady. Just want to figure out where to store them :)

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1396 on: January 24, 2021, 10:24:12 PM »
Did the paper wallet idea work for you or are you still stuck? Hold them in your own wallet until binance us approves your account and then transfer there if you want. If you need to get rid of them before your account is approved theres always changelly

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1398 on: January 25, 2021, 12:16:31 AM »
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/23/why-people-invest-in-bitcoin.html
Interesting behavioral analysis. I would love to see work done on evaluating how a hypothetical collapse of BitCoin and/or TSLA would impact the rest of the economy, although I understand timing is a huge unknown variable.

I think by and large there is no major financing against BTC which spares from much of the risk leverage creates.
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