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What are blockchains and bitcoins and what is the difference?
A blockchain is the fundamental element in a crypto currency system. A blockchain is an accounting ledger. Each block contains a bunch of journal entries (i.e. a chronological record of transactions) that gets encrypted (by miners) but can be downloaded and read by anyone on the network. Why the blockchain ledger is secure and how we can vouch for its integrity is a slightly more advanced topic.

An accounting ledger typically keeps track of money, and a blockchain is no different. But the only type of money that it can accurately track is digital money that lives on the blockchain network. So dollars, euros, etc are out. The digital money that lives on the blockchain is called a crypto currency, and the most well-known one at this time is Bitcoin.

Currently there are a few major blockchain networks: the Bitcoin Network, the Ethereum Network, and the Litecoin Network. Each one has its own currency, which are Bitcoin, Ether, and Litecoin, respectively.

I’m just a simple DDFer and not an accountant + cryptographer + hacker all at the same time. Can you make this a little simpler to understand?
Let’s try an analogy. There is a certain website called Dansdeals.com and it has quite a following. Some of the followers are just users/readers but others are more active and produce value for the website. When they provide value, they earn currency for their work – called “EQP” and “HT”. So we have something we will call the Dansdeals Blockchain Network that is simply a record keeper of various ongoing deals and it issues a native currency that is fractionable (10,000 EQP = 1 HT). This is similar to the Blockchain network recording financial transactions and issuing bitcoins. The ones who work for the network (miners) earn bitcoins and everyone else needs to buy it to participate.

The analogy improves if you imagine that the Dansdeals website visitors have to pay a small amount, let’s say 5 EQP, in order to access a deal or a code that is recorded on the network. If the website has 30,000 followers who love deals, but only 1,000 active members who earn EQP, then you can see that there is a need for a marketplace to be created where you can buy EQP for later use.

Of course, websites are not networks, and this analogy is far from perfect. But useful.

How much is a Bitcoin worth
No one knows. A few people are speculating its worth based on the potential that Bitcoin will one day become a major world currency that people use in their daily lives. Most people though are speculating its worth based on what the next new investor will pay them for it (google “Greater Fool Investing”).

Even if a crypto currency becomes dominant, who says it will be Bitcoin? Maybe it will be Schmitcoin?
This is completely possible. Bitcoin and Ether are the most likely at this point, but their long term survival is not at all guaranteed.

So why all the fuss about Bitcoin? Shouldn’t we wait for Schmitcoin and its cousins to come out?
You could, but you don’t want to ignore how hard it is to start up a network from scratch. It may be that as little as one person can create rival code to compete with the existing digital currencies and blockchains, but one person is not a network. You need a lot of highly technical and motivated people to join you and also to invest their time, energy, and money in making that network run. It’s a highly specialized group of people, and most of the people who would fit that profile are already tied up with an existing network. So it’s not impossible, especially in the long-term, but even if it does happen it would be unlikely to pop up overnight and so Vegas odds for Bitcoin are way shorter.

Let’s go back to the Dansdeals analogy. Imagine that Dansdeals is not the only such website, and there are other websites in existence that provide similar services. For the sake of the analogy let’s call them MMS and OMAAT. They too have big enough followings to survive independently, and even though each one offers a slightly different flavor that differentiates them, anyone on one of the networks could also get their most important needs met on one of the other networks. In this analogy, do you think it’s worth collecting EQP/HT or not? After all, Schmansdeals.com could open up one day and all the business could move there.

The argument for the difficulty of starting up a rival blockchain network is much stronger than in the analogy (especially if we start to include “smart contracts” in the discussion), but the basic idea that you need a critical mass of follows to be successful and compete with existing rivals is the same.

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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1440 on: February 11, 2021, 01:35:30 PM »
Is Tesla the straw that breaks the camels back for institutional/corporate cash allocation to btc?
Time will tell. My gut says yes.

No. Tesla is no leader in the financial world. They bought bitcoin partly for attention and partly as a hedge for when they start accepting BTC as payment for their products.

In a few months from now crypto winter will set back in and everyone will go back to forgetting their excitement. Because as long as their is no practical real world use for these coins other than to speculate, the majority of people who interact with crypto will be bagholders who are stuck with coins they bought at ATHs and have negative feelings.

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« Reply #1441 on: February 11, 2021, 05:27:08 PM »
No. Tesla is no leader in the financial world. They bought bitcoin partly for attention and partly as a hedge for when they start accepting BTC as payment for their products.

In a few months from now crypto winter will set back in and everyone will go back to forgetting their excitement. Because as long as their is no practical real world use for these coins other than to speculate, the majority of people who interact with crypto will be bagholders who are stuck with coins they bought at ATHs and have negative feelings.
Until the next ATH when the former bag holders are at a 3x.  :)

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« Reply #1442 on: February 11, 2021, 05:42:53 PM »
No. Tesla is no leader in the financial world. They bought bitcoin partly for attention and partly as a hedge for when they start accepting BTC as payment for their products.

In a few months from now crypto winter will set back in and everyone will go back to forgetting their excitement. Because as long as their is no practical real world use for these coins other than to speculate, the majority of people who interact with crypto will be bagholders who are stuck with coins they bought at ATHs and have negative feelings.

Tesla doesn't need to be a leader in the financial world. They just need to lead corporate thinking, and the financial world will follow. Already, Twitter is talking about paying their employees in BTC, and Apple is considering adding crypto to their financial ecosystem. Once a few big boys jump in, where the wind blows is anyone's guess.

As for the real world applications, there are many blockchain products being used nowadays in a variety of industries, and there are (admittedly small) segments on the real world who do use these coins as currency in transactions. The future of crypto is far from clear, and with so many projects with unique goals and applications, it's becoming exceedingly hard to write off the entire market. Ultimately, some will likely survive, either as a store of value, as a currency representing other stores of value, or as stand-alone projects representing value we can't yet quantify or fully imagine.

That doesn't mean you're wrong. Most people get burnt by crypto, and with so many coins, it's hard to predict which few will have real value and which will leave people broke holding worthless code.
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1444 on: February 11, 2021, 07:06:54 PM »
Until the next ATH when the former bag holders are at a 3x.  :)

Exactly. Just as long as you're invested in one of the coins that has real value. None of them are 100% sure though, not even BTC.

Tesla doesn't need to be a leader in the financial world. They just need to lead corporate thinking, and the financial world will follow. Already, Twitter is talking about paying their employees in BTC, and Apple is considering adding crypto to their financial ecosystem. Once a few big boys jump in, where the wind blows is anyone's guess.

As for the real world applications, there are many blockchain products being used nowadays in a variety of industries, and there are (admittedly small) segments on the real world who do use these coins as currency in transactions. The future of crypto is far from clear, and with so many projects with unique goals and applications, it's becoming exceedingly hard to write off the entire market. Ultimately, some will likely survive, either as a store of value, as a currency representing other stores of value, or as stand-alone projects representing value we can't yet quantify or fully imagine.

That doesn't mean you're wrong. Most people get burnt by crypto, and with so many coins, it's hard to predict which few will have real value and which will leave people broke holding worthless code.

Two points I will disagree with you on- blockchain having a use does not mean that the coin native to that blockchain has a use. FTR most "blockchain applications" are forced, the result of project teams who were tasked with finding a way to "get in on blockchain". Second, most people dabbling in crypto right now have no idea how to hold a coin or spend a coin. The full extent of their experience is trading them on exchanges. Don't get me wrong, that's a huge step forward from 3 years ago when those same people didn't have access to an exchange. But the only difference between now and then is the increase in the number of speculators. We won't see any true utilization of crypto until people have learned how to transact, and not just trade, their coins.

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« Reply #1445 on: February 11, 2021, 08:06:05 PM »
Exactly. Just as long as you're invested in one of the coins that has real value. None of them are 100% sure though, not even BTC.

Two points I will disagree with you on- blockchain having a use does not mean that the coin native to that blockchain has a use. FTR most "blockchain applications" are forced, the result of project teams who were tasked with finding a way to "get in on blockchain". Second, most people dabbling in crypto right now have no idea how to hold a coin or spend a coin. The full extent of their experience is trading them on exchanges. Don't get me wrong, that's a huge step forward from 3 years ago when those same people didn't have access to an exchange. But the only difference between now and then is the increase in the number of speculators. We won't see any true utilization of crypto until people have learned how to transact, and not just trade, their coins.

I don't think we're disagreeing on anything. I think the best example I've seen compared what we're experiencing in crypto to the dot com bubble. Many of the coins are useless, like many of the tech companies back then, but there is really innovative and potentially life-changing stuff involved, too. There's money to be made in the short-term, as people try to figure out which coins have lasting value, as well as guessing which coin will be hyped for quick cash. There's also real money to be made in the long-term, if you identify the real deal(s).
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1447 on: February 12, 2021, 02:49:12 PM »
https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1360258151765970944

https://twitter.com/andrewyang/status/1359992211186843649

Until they are signing contracts denominated in bitcoin that aren’t funding concurrently, it’s a funny gimmick.

Let’s see them sign employee comp agreements denominated in bitcoin. Let’s see the employees accept it.

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« Reply #1448 on: February 12, 2021, 02:54:43 PM »
Until they are signing contracts denominated in bitcoin that aren’t funding concurrently, it’s a funny gimmick.

Let’s see them sign employee comp agreements denominated in bitcoin. Let’s see the employees accept it.

It's definitely a gimmick. The issue IMO won't be getting the employees to sign those contracts. The issue is that the government isn't holding enough BTC to cover salaries long term, and will have to buy it on the open market to make payroll. Considering the volatility of the market, it could easily bankrupt the city. Employees signing contracts last Feb would have gotten a 360% raise over the last year. The city can't afford to cover that at market price.
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Re: BitCoin Master Thread
« Reply #1449 on: February 12, 2021, 03:22:02 PM »
When the shoeshine boys talk stocks its time to sell. This is it folks.

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« Reply #1450 on: February 12, 2021, 03:30:51 PM »
When the shoeshine boys talk stocks its time to sell. This is it folks.

In my very uneducated and unprofessional opinion, we have a little more time. Wait and see what happens when those stimmy cheques hit Robinhood. But you are right: these bubbles are getting very close to popping.
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« Reply #1451 on: February 12, 2021, 03:38:29 PM »
In my very uneducated and unprofessional opinion, we have a little more time. Wait and see what happens when those stimmy cheques hit Robinhood. But you are right: these bubbles are getting very close to popping.

You are likely right and the top may be months away but at this point we have money in the market that is coming from people who do not know what they're buying. Which is a guarantee that the level we are at now is higher than what we will see after normalization happens.

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« Reply #1452 on: February 12, 2021, 03:43:35 PM »
You are likely right and the top may be months away but at this point we have money in the market that is coming from people who do not know what they're buying. Which is a guarantee that the level we are at now is higher than what we will see after normalization happens.

Didn't we have that kind of money six months ago too?
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« Reply #1453 on: February 12, 2021, 03:45:15 PM »
You are likely right and the top may be months away but at this point we have money in the market that is coming from people who do not know what they're buying. Which is a guarantee that the level we are at now is higher than what we will see after normalization happens.

CARES Act mortgage deferments end soon. Gonna be a different world when the bills start coming in.
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« Reply #1454 on: February 12, 2021, 03:47:43 PM »
CARES Act mortgage deferments end soon. Gonna be a different world when the bills start coming in.

I would be very careful making any predictions.
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« Reply #1455 on: February 12, 2021, 03:50:27 PM »
I would be very careful making any predictions.

100%. This is just my personal experience, as well as what I'm hearing from others in the same boat. Those looming mortgage payments are a game changer for a lot of people.
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« Reply #1456 on: February 12, 2021, 04:02:36 PM »
100%. This is just my personal experience, as well as what I'm hearing from others in the same boat. Those looming mortgage payments are a game changer for a lot of people.

Never under estimate the ability to kick the can further down the road.
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« Reply #1457 on: February 12, 2021, 04:15:23 PM »
Didn't we have that kind of money six months ago too?

There's always a certain amount of that kind of money in any market. It's a question of degree

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« Reply #1458 on: February 14, 2021, 01:24:00 PM »
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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« Reply #1459 on: February 14, 2021, 02:03:00 PM »
XLM

Did anyone end up picking some up?
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