GDS Users AMADEUS, SABRE, GALILEO, WORLDSPAN

[ilherman]

Yes. Very often only full fare eco will price with biz

Thanks. Any solution? Calling up?

[Chaikel]

Thanks. Any solution? Calling up?

If there is no valid fare, the best they can do for you is give you a voucher for the remainder then you'll have to book a new ticket with the remainder

[Mordy788]

I'm just discovering this thread now.

I am not a TA, someone I know is, I am a mileage agent, but mess around on Sabre in my spare time, my Sabre PCC is not US so fares aren't ever good, and this agency only issues through a consolidator. I've gained some new knowledge reading through this thread, but I'll probably come back with questions from time to time...

One interesting thing to point out being in the mileage business, all AA PNRs (issued by AA only) can be viewed in Sabre, just enter *ABCDEF and you'll see it, but try enter anything more than *I, *A, *H, 4G*x (you won't be able to actually assign a seat) and you'll get the error: DISPLAYING PNR YOU DO NOT OWN-IGNORE OR ENTER ¤AAL/CLM TO CLAIM, I tried entering  ¤AAL/CLM (only on my own AA mileage reservation) but I get this response: THIS PNR IS INELIGIBLE TO BE CLAIMED - PLEASE IGNORE. It's very handy especially for  finding out operating airline relocs.

One thing that I'm not comprehending is married segments, I had an issue a while ago where searching for a 2 segment flight showed U0 but searching the 2 flights separately showed U9. I tried selling the first flight then searching the second but it now showed U0, I tried long selling it, but came back UC, in the end I long sold both seats on the same line using the § in the middle and I got SS on both, and HK after ending, (and WP gave me the price I was looking for, just in the foreign currency of my PCC) but I was told by another agent I know with Sabre that he wouldn't issue it because he'd land himself an ADM (I couldn't issue it myself because as I said above my agency uses a consolidator and charges a fee above (forget about commission!) the foreign fare, and it wouldn't be worth it. What's wrong with what I did and how would the airline find out? (this other agent suggested I call the airline directly and tell them I need the ticket issued and my TA is not answering his phone...)

In this industry married segments are one of the most frequently discussed topics in the airline and agency area. Every airline has their own rules. It's best to understand them before you play around with that. The airlines have robots that go through PNR's and have secondary auditing checks as well. There are even checks done when a passenger has his passport swiped for check in at the airport.

Airlines know. Weather they choose to do something is a different story.

In my humble opinion it is best to be ethical and follow the rules that you agreed to.

[ilherman]

Not that I disagree, but I never had pax being questioned in the airport. The only time they suspended a PNR IME was when a UA record was claimed..

[Chaikel]

In this industry married segments are one of the most frequently discussed topics in the airline and agency area. Every airline has their own rules. It's best to understand them before you play around with that. The airlines have robots that go through PNR's and have secondary auditing checks as well. There are even checks done when a passenger has his passport swiped for check in at the airport.

Airlines know. Weather they choose to do something is a different story.

In my humble opinion it is best to be ethical and follow the rules that you agreed to.

So nu, what's AF's policy?

[ilherman]

AF is BAD. DELTA IS TRULY THE BEST.

[chff]

Frontier Airlines to Voluntarily Delete from ARC

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[Mordy788]

Frontier Airlines to Voluntarily Delete from ARC

I think I have only booked 1 F9 booking. 

[lybbtthl]

how do i check (in sabre) if airlines have interline agreements?

e.g. B6 JFK-LAX and VA LAX-SYD. If i put them in same PNR (must be separate tickets, no fares found for one ticket) will bags be checked all the way through?

[Chaikel]

how do i check (in sabre) if airlines have interline agreements?

e.g. B6 JFK-LAX and VA LAX-SYD. If i put them in same PNR (must be separate tickets, no fares found for one ticket) will bags be checked all the way through?

Has nothing to do with PNR. Pax must advise CIA, maybe send an SSR as well

[Mordy788]

I don't know how to in Sabre but in Amadeus you can check. 

99% of the time the bags can be thru checked. The only carriers that can not are the ones that don't belong to IATA such as the budget carriers. Some airlines also restrict thru check in some instances.  The main thing for the customer to do is to have a booking to show the check in agent so he or she can add the itinerary. No ticket number is required.

[lybbtthl]

Has nothing to do with PNR. Pax must advise CIA, maybe send an SSR as well

explain me how to do this SSR, which airline am i sending it? both?

[lybbtthl]

Also, when making the PNR with a VA BNE-LAX and a B6 LAX-JFK (definitely over the MCT) i got the following message when trying to end: "CONNX SEG 02 AT LAX NOT ALLOWED" I just ended again and it ended successfully.

I could always make a separate PNR, but I want the pax not to have to explain and show the B6 ticket to the CIA, so I want it in one PNR.

[Mordy788]

SSR is not needed for this. Passenger needs to inform the check in agent.

Sometimes you can not have all flights in one PNR. Even if you are able to book everything in one PNR on your side doesn't mean that it will all show up in the airlines check in system.

It's really not a big deal. This happens all the time that passengers have separate tickets.

[lybbtthl]

SSR is not needed for this. Passenger needs to inform the check in agent.

Sometimes you can not have all flights in one PNR. Even if you are able to book everything in one PNR on your side doesn't mean that it will all show up in the airlines check in system.

It's really not a big deal. This happens all the time that passengers have separate tickets.

IME every operating airline sees the immediate segments preceding and following their own in their systems

[Mordy788]

IME every operating airline sees the immediate segments preceding and following their own in their systems.

What you book in Sabre under one PNR does not necessarily show up in the Airlines Check In System. These systems don't communicate very well. Itineraries need to be amended frequently.

[lybbtthl]

What you book in Sabre under one PNR does not necessarily show up in the Airlines Check In System. These systems don't communicate very well. Itineraries need to be amended frequently.

When viewing the VA PNR on virtuallythere.com, it shows the B6 segment. I can't view the B6 PNR on virtuallythere.com, they don't allow it (needless to say the Sabre PNR shows all as well).

Whenever I have made a single reservation on multiple carriers that use different CRSs, the immediate segments preceding and succeeding each airlines segments, also show up in their system (but you can't do anything like selecting seats, ordering special meals etc.) Sometimes, all the segments across all airlines show up on a PNR even though they use different CRSs. Turkish will often show preceding/succeeding flights, but the dep and arr times will show as 00:00, but the flight number and date will be there. At any rate, when this customer checks in with VA, they will likely see that this flight connects on to the B6 flight and may be able to check-in all the way. There's a better chance of them checking through the bags if they see the B6 flight in their system, rather than the pax having to show a separate B6 PNR.

[chff]

When viewing the VA PNR on virtuallythere.com, it shows the B6 segment. I can't view the B6 PNR on virtuallythere.com, they don't allow it (needless to say the Sabre PNR shows all as well).

Whenever I have made a single reservation on multiple carriers that use different CRSs, the immediate segments preceding and succeeding each airlines segments, also show up in their system (but you can't do anything like selecting seats, ordering special meals etc.) Sometimes, all the segments across all airlines show up on a PNR even though they use different CRSs. Turkish will often show preceding/succeeding flights, but the dep and arr times will show as 00:00, but the flight number and date will be there. At any rate, when this customer checks in with VA, they will likely see that this flight connects on to the B6 flight and may be able to check-in all the way. There's a better chance of them checking through the bags if they see the B6 flight in their system, rather than the pax having to show a separate B6 PNR.

B6 uses Sabre, so they should be able to see it

[lybbtthl]

B6 uses Sabre, so they should be able to see it

Yes, I'm aware (I mentioned in my previous post that the B6 blocks their PNRs from being viewed on virtuallythere.com, If they weren't Sabre then for sure you wouldn't be able to use VT.com)

Interestingly, I have noticed that if I make a single PNR with segments from multiple airlines that use Amadeus as their CRS, there'll be one Amadeus reloc for all of them, but not so with Sabre, as you see in my case, VA and B6 both use Sabre, yet my PNR has 3 relocs (only AA will share the Sabre reloc). Maybe that could result in one airline not seeing the other!?

[Chaikel]

Yes, I'm aware (I mentioned in my previous post that the B6 blocks their PNRs from being viewed on virtuallythere.com, If they weren't Sabre then for sure you wouldn't be able to use VT.com)

Interestingly, I have noticed that if I make a single PNR with segments from multiple airlines that use Amadeus as their CRS, there'll be one Amadeus reloc for all of them, but not so with Sabre, as you see in my case, VA and B6 both use Sabre, yet my PNR has 3 relocs (only AA will share the Sabre reloc). Maybe that could result in one airline not seeing the other!?

That's because they don't actually use Sabre, but a system "powered by Sabre".

FYI it seems that you are booking him with an illegal connection, and VA has the right to deny boarding to the passenger, even though it's highly unlikely that they will