LSAT Review Course

[mercaz1]

its not 40 cleps
they take from any yeshiva afaik
10 classes is 30 credits and 72 yeshiva credits is 102 so you only need 18 credits of cleps

[PlatinumGuy]

its not 40 cleps
they take from any yeshiva afaik
10 classes is 30 credits and 72 yeshiva credits is 102 so you only need 18 credits of cleps

10 1 hour classes? Or 10 courses. 30 credits for 10hrs is funny.

[mercaz1]

10 courses over a 9-12 month period

[jj1000]

Dan - can we fork the last discussion to a new Yeshiva/college issues thread.
(I can just think of 'Need help finding a yeshiva: post here)

also add the yesod yosef thread...

[PlatinumGuy]

Additionally, pretty sure Jews do not constitute a minority for the purposes for which you suggest.

I have absolutely no idea. But I'm sure there is some law school in this country that is not over represented by Jews. I just think that would be a point to consider when selecting schools for application.
 (I hate to say this, but especially in the 150-range... Just compare the same threads on FT vs. DDF*. I am amazed every time I look at the huge difference. FT is cluttered up with useless stupid things and people. Even the better members can't make their point without harping on...  I'm not even so sure this is something to be proud of - Jews have been at the top in every field, including crime.)


*For purpose of this post, I am not a DDF member

[henche]

I have absolutely no idea. But I'm sure there is some law school in this country that is not over represented by Jews. I just think that would be a point to consider when selecting schools for application.
 (I hate to say this, but especially in the 150-range... Just compare the same threads on FT vs. DDF*. I am amazed every time I look at the huge difference. FT is cluttered up with useless stupid things and people. Even the better members can't make their point without harping on...  I'm not even so sure this is something to be proud of - Jews have been at the top in every field, including crime.)


*For purpose of this post, I am not a DDF member

We be brilliant. About 30 people transferred with me. Seems about 15 are jewish.

[yaakov s]

We be brilliant. About 30 people transferred with me. Seems about 15 are jewish.

What percentage of 2L is jewish? Or the brilliance is that jews know you could transfer in for 2L and so why bother for 1L

[PlatinumGuy]

What percentage of 2L is jewish? Or the brilliance is that jews know you could transfer in for 2L and so why bother for 1L

1L is what makes or breaks in the job market AFAIK.

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[jj1000]

Did anyone on DDF actually take a lsat course by Fisch?

[michael]

Does anyone want to comment on the ability of the frum guys to get Big Law jobs? I know that at Penn, of the eight frum guys in my year, only three of them got Big Law. The vast majority of the rest of the class has such jobs.

[Ergel]

Does anyone want to comment on the ability of the frum guys to get Big Law jobs? I know that at Penn, of the eight frum guys in my year, only three of them got Big Law. The vast majority of the rest of the class has such jobs.

When did you graduate.
has a lot to do with the way they interview. Its one thing to get into law school. An entirely other one to learn how to present yourself

[michael]

I graduate on Monday, Be'ezras Hashem, but the same statistics hold true for the year above me, and, more or less, for the year below me. Overall, out of roughly 20 frum guys that tried to get NYC biglaw, maybe 8 or 9 got it.

The economy cannot be the answer for this. It may be interviewing, as you said, but as far as grades go, the distribution is fairly typical.

[AJK]

Does anyone want to comment on the ability of the frum guys to get Big Law jobs? I know that at Penn, of the eight frum guys in my year, only three of them got Big Law. The vast majority of the rest of the class has such jobs.

Honestly, it's more about the school one attends and ones grades than it is about being frum.

Assuming you have the above down pat (big assumption), you don't come to the interview drunk, and you can carry on at least somewhat of an intelligent conversation, you won't be turned down solely on account of the fact you're wearing a kippa, especially in the bigger markets like NY, NJ, CA.

[eliteflyer]

Did anyone on DDF actually take a lsat course by Fisch?

I have some classmates at Columbia who studied for the LSAT with him.

Does anyone want to comment on the ability of the frum guys to get Big Law jobs? I know that at Penn, of the eight frum guys in my year, only three of them got Big Law. The vast majority of the rest of the class has such jobs.

I don't think its possible to extract meaningful information about the abilities of frum guys (and women) from such a small pool. Big law jobs are not simply available for the taking even at top law schools. Grades, interpersonal skills, undergraduate experience, and to a significant degree mazel, go into landing a job. "Frum" people are individuals with a wide variety of backgrounds, skills and talents.

[michael]

You're definitely correct. However, from what I see at my school, and from what I hear about other schools, frum guys (not girls) just seem to have a more difficult time landing the big jobs.

I don't think it has to do with the yarmulka, as some guys didn't wear them on interviews. I think it has more to do with interviewing skills and pre-law school experience.

I find that frum guys generally underperform in both areas.

[eliteflyer]

You're definitely correct. However, from what I see at my school, and from what I hear about other schools, frum guys (not girls) just seem to have a more difficult time landing the big jobs.

I don't think it has to do with the yarmulka, as some guys didn't wear them on interviews. I think it has more to do with interviewing skills and pre-law school experience.

I find that frum guys generally underperform in both areas.

Understand that even in the broader student population at Penn, there are probably going to be a good number of students with out big law jobs at graduation. (between 20% and 30%) Also be aware that students without such jobs are not likely to be broadcasting their emplyment status to their classmates.

[AJK]

Understand that even in the broader student population at Penn, there are probably going to be a good number of students with out big law jobs at graduation. (between 20% and 30%) Also be aware that students without such jobs are not likely to be broadcasting their emplyment status to their classmates.

+1. but even at Penn I believe that 20-30% is too conservative in this market, especially for people graduating right now.

[michael]

True, but judging from LinkedIn employment statuses, and based on the general raid, I'd say rougly 60-70% got BigLaw. The year below me (2Ls) seems to be even higher. I hear people discussing it, although not too often.

Also, FWIW, three frum guys that had BigLaw over the summer got no-offered. So it wasn't just an interviewing fail, it was more of a general lack of success.

Getting no-offered may have more to do with substantive lack of certain skills, which we also excel at

[eliteflyer]

True, but judging from LinkedIn employment statuses, and based on the general raid, I'd say rougly 60-70% got BigLaw. The year below me (2Ls) seems to be even higher. I hear people discussing it, although not too often.

Also, FWIW, three frum guys that had BigLaw over the summer got no-offered. So it wasn't just an interviewing fail, it was more of a general lack of success.

Getting no-offered may have more to do with substantive lack of certain skills, which we also excel at

If you don't mind saying, which firms no-offered the frum guys?

Also, congratulations on gratuating!

[michael]

If you don't mind saying, which firms no-offered the frum guys?

Also, congratulations on gratuating!

Thank you. Baruch Hashem, it wasn't my firm.

If you're a rising 2L, or for whatever other reason it's nogeiah, I'd feel more comfortable if you PM me when you need the info.