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If you are here reading this forum/thread, you probably have heard, seen or know someone who has been leveraging credit card points for free or very low cost travel and want to get involved. While it may be very tempting to jump right in and apply for a bunch of credit cards, it is advisable to read through the forums before doing so.

For those who have no credit history, building your credit score is strongly recommended and may even be needed before applying for any credit cards.

Step 1 - Try and get added as an Authorized User (AU) on an established credit card. This card should be kept in good standing and preferably have a low credit utilization ratio.
Some have had success with Amex to get your card backdated to the primary cardholders "member since" date. Having this done will increase your credit history to that of  the account holders first Amex card.
UPDATE Amex no longer backdates any cards. Any authorized user card will show up on the AUs report as a new account, opened on the date that the AU was added. Amex is now one of the worse choices to get added as an AU to, for credit building purposes.
Chase, Citi, Bank of America and others are more likely to show the full history of the primary cardholder on the authorized user's report than Amex is.

Additional Option - In conjunction with being added as an AU, you can  sign up for a secure credit card.
A secured credit card works almost like a debit card (you need to lay out your credit limit), but this functions as a regular credit card and will help build your credit score.

Step 2 - Once you are setup as an AU, it is best to wait a few months before applying for your first card.

Your first card should be a store credit card, which are easier to get approved for, especially with very limited credit history.
Some of the store cards people apply for are Old Navy, Gap, Banana Republic, Kohl's, Macy's, Target etc. While these cards will not give you major signup bonuses to travel with, they do give you access to exclusive promotions and other perks when purchasing from the store.

Additional Options - The CapitalOne Journey card seems to be easier to get approved for, though understand they will pull your credit from all three agencies, while most banks only pull from one.

Discover has a student card you can apply for here. This can also be an easier option to getting approved for your first card. Their regular IT card (not student) seems to be pretty easy to get approved for with little to no credit history as well.

Step 3 - Pay your bill before your statement closes (cut off date), but leave a minimal amount remaining to be paid after your statement closes. This will help ensure that you have both a low CC utilization while establishing a good credit payment history. (This applies to new spending from this month.  Anything already 'due' should be paid in full.)

Step 4 - After using your first card for a few months, you will be ready to apply for the cards you will have read and heard so much about. Remember that getting accepted for a credit card is a combination of many factors like credit history and your credit score, but it is also dependent on the income that you claim* you make.  Income is not part of your credit report or score.

Step 5 - This is a brief synopsis of what to do when applying for credit cards. There are additional factors one should understand before applying for credit cards. DDF is a great resource and there are many people willing to answer your questions (which you should ask, albeit after attempting a search) 

*If you are under 21, you are legally only allowed to report personal income. Personal income, however, can include allowances and scholarships.
If you are over 21, you can claim any income which you have reasonable access to in order to pay back the bill, which includes the income of others in the household (spouse/parent), or anyone supporting you. Additionally, while most banks will not have you verify your income, it does happen and you should be prepared to show them. This is particularly prevalent with American Express, and is known as a Financial Review (FR).
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Re: Credit Card For Beginners
« Reply #1560 on: February 05, 2014, 06:36:06 PM »
I would try a student card first. You can get added as an authorized user and try to apply after. Dan has a thread if you go to the main forums about what to do in your situation.
I can't get a student card because i have no income. I'm basically trying to build up my credit score for after I turn 21(and of course for the rest of my life) and can legally use my parents income on a cc application.
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Re: Credit Card For Beginners
« Reply #1561 on: February 05, 2014, 06:38:26 PM »
Had same thing with cap1. Applied, declined because of no credit report found, waited 4 month and got preapproved app in the mail, applied and got accepted on the spot. It seems like they created the credit report in all 3 cb. Some of my friends had the same with cap1.
They created the reports without any action on your part??
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Re: Credit Card For Beginners
« Reply #1562 on: February 05, 2014, 07:01:24 PM »
They created the reports without any action on your part??
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Re: Credit Card For Beginners
« Reply #1563 on: February 05, 2014, 09:03:32 PM »
yes

i guess that's one advantage of having them pull all three

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Re: Credit Card For Beginners
« Reply #1564 on: February 06, 2014, 12:16:39 PM »

I can't get a student card because i have no income. I'm basically trying to build up my credit score for after I turn 21(and of course for the rest of my life) and can legally use my parents income on a cc application.
Can your parents add you on their account? I believe if you live in their household you can put their income down as the household income?

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« Reply #1565 on: February 06, 2014, 12:24:08 PM »
I believe if you live in their household you can put their income down as the household income?
Not if you're under 21.

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Re: Credit Card For Beginners
« Reply #1566 on: February 06, 2014, 12:43:06 PM »
Not if you're under 21.
What is the reason for that? Is there one?

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Re: Credit Card For Beginners
« Reply #1567 on: February 06, 2014, 01:27:44 PM »
What is the reason for that? Is there one?
Someone CMIIW. I think it's a law.

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« Reply #1568 on: February 06, 2014, 01:37:40 PM »
Someone CMIIW. I think it's a law.
Ok

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« Reply #1569 on: February 06, 2014, 02:10:22 PM »
I spoke to a cs rep from the Capital One applications department who confirmed this. The reason I don't know. They told me it was a government guideline.
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Re: Credit Card For Beginners
« Reply #1570 on: February 06, 2014, 04:25:13 PM »
If i want to apply to a card but do not want to request more credit or get a hard pull, can i call chase, for instance, and ask to move a CL from an old cc into a new cc and thus applying to the new card by phone?

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Re: Credit Card For Beginners
« Reply #1571 on: February 06, 2014, 04:44:49 PM »
If i want to apply to a card but do not want to request more credit or get a hard pull, can i call chase, for instance, and ask to move a CL from an old cc into a new cc and thus applying to the new card by phone?
No.

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Re: Credit Card For Beginners
« Reply #1572 on: February 06, 2014, 04:57:15 PM »
No.

In that case,  if i don't want to hurt my total credit available, and utilization ratio, and I am unable to get a retention bonus,  i should ideally move the cl to a different card before i close the cc. Correct?

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« Reply #1573 on: February 06, 2014, 04:59:48 PM »
In that case,  if i don't want to hurt my total credit available, and utilization ratio, and I am unable to get a retention bonus,  i should ideally move the cl to a different card before i close the cc. Correct?

correct

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« Reply #1574 on: February 06, 2014, 11:23:29 PM »
I've been reading a lot online and every site I visit seems to agree that having a too many CC's is not good (duh?).
Dan claims to have an excellent credit score, and I have absolutely no reason not to believe him.
But I can't imagine that there are no consequences for applying to so many CC's and so often bc even if you find ways to avoid increasing your total credit by transferring your CL to another card before closing, they still leave a mark on your reports. Can someone clarify my doubt please?

Let's say we have two people. Reuven and Shimon. Reuven likes to churn and do AOR's, Shimon doesn't. They both have the same excellent credit score, but the only difference is quantity of cards currently open and amount of accounts showing up in the report throughout their history. It's implied that Reuven takes all measures and precautions possible to keep this high score of his.

They both apply for a mortgage or auto loan/lease. If Shimon gets approved, can we expect Reuven to get approved and pay the same interest rate as him, or can we expect his recent and past credit activity to adversely impact his application for credit by considering him more risky?   

I hope this makes sense it's way past my bed time lol - TIA


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Re: Credit Card For Beginners
« Reply #1575 on: February 06, 2014, 11:38:27 PM »
Reuven will have a credit score and so will Shimon, No-one knows exactly how score is calculated but many factors are known. Reuven's score will be raised by his total amount of accounts, and, depending on when he apply's for mortgage/auto loan will have either higher or lower avg. age of accounts, he will lose points for recent applications (this happens to be a pretty small percentage of score). Now, we have to make an example. Say, Reuven owes 10k to cc's when statements close, and has 100k of total credit, his utilization will be pretty low. In addition to that, being that he cares so much about score, he will know that on business cards, utilization doesn't count, so his 10k goes there and he can have an even smaller utilization.
Shimon's score will be raised a bit by not having any inquiries. He will lose points not having too many credit lines. If he owes 10k, but has a credit line of 20k he will be at 50% utilization, and will almost certainly have a lower score.

Now, who said that having too many cc's wasn't good...

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« Reply #1576 on: February 06, 2014, 11:39:10 PM »
I've been reading a lot online and every site I visit seems to agree that having a too many CC's is not good (duh?).
Dan claims to have an excellent credit score, and I have absolutely no reason not to believe him.
But I can't imagine that there are no consequences for applying to so many CC's and so often bc even if you find ways to avoid increasing your total credit by transferring your CL to another card before closing, they still leave a mark on your reports. Can someone clarify my doubt please?

Let's say we have two people. Reuven and Shimon. Reuven likes to churn and do AOR's, Shimon doesn't. They both have the same excellent credit score, but the only difference is quantity of cards currently open and amount of accounts showing up in the report throughout their history. It's implied that Reuven takes all measures and precautions possible to keep this high score of his.

They both apply for a mortgage or auto loan/lease. If Shimon gets approved, can we expect Reuven to get approved and pay the same interest rate as him, or can we expect his recent and past credit activity to adversely impact his application for credit by considering him more risky?   

I hope this makes sense it's way past my bed time lol - TIA
Now that I see my response was top of page, I was responding to this post...

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Re: Credit Card For Beginners
« Reply #1577 on: February 06, 2014, 11:54:05 PM »
Now that I see my response was top of page, I was responding to this post...

Thanks Barry, that all makes sense, but I meant given the example where they both somehow have the exact same score AND CL at the time of application,  will the bank see Reuven as a more risky applicant and give him a higher rate despite having same score?

To answer your question, see this example below :
http://www.creditcards.com/credit-card-news/help/worst-credit-card-mistakes-6000.php
It seems, however, that as i went on Google to find this link, i found others saying that add long as your in good standing and keeping low utilization ratios you should be fine...

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Re: Credit Card For Beginners
« Reply #1578 on: February 07, 2014, 12:01:33 AM »
Thanks Barry, that all makes sense, but I meant given the example where they both somehow have the exact same score AND CL at the time of application,  will the bank see Reuven as a more risky applicant and give him a higher rate despite having same score?

To answer your question, see this example below :
http://www.creditcards.com/credit-card-news/help/worst-credit-card-mistakes-6000.php
It seems, however, that as i went on Google to find this link, i found others saying that add long as your in good standing and keeping low utilization ratios you should be fine...
But they wouldn't have same score. (Unless utilization was 0, then it's possible). There is a possibility that an underwriter can see a credit line that's a few times higher than salary, and view as negative, but what they usually do is take income divide by 2.5 or 3 and subtract minimum payments/mandatory payments, car payments etc. They also use credit score, of course.

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Re: Credit Card For Beginners
« Reply #1579 on: February 07, 2014, 12:11:00 AM »
But they wouldn't have same score. (Unless utilization was 0, then it's possible). There is a possibility that an underwriter can see a credit line that's a few times higher than salary, and view as negative, but what they usually do is take income divide by 2.5 or 3 and subtract minimum payments/mandatory payments, car payments etc. They also use credit score, of course.

 good stuff. I only have a few CCs ,  so it'll be a while before cl goes above salary... But i see what you're saying. I just thought underwriters were more conservative 

Thanks!