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If you are here reading this forum/thread, you probably have heard, seen or know someone who has been leveraging credit card points for free or very low cost travel and want to get involved. While it may be very tempting to jump right in and apply for a bunch of credit cards, it is advisable to read through the forums before doing so.

For those who have no credit history, building your credit score is strongly recommended and may even be needed before applying for any credit cards.

Step 1 - Try and get added as an Authorized User (AU) on an established credit card. This card should be kept in good standing and preferably have a low credit utilization ratio.
Some have had success with Amex to get your card backdated to the primary cardholders "member since" date. Having this done will increase your credit history to that of  the account holders first Amex card.
UPDATE Amex no longer backdates any cards. Any authorized user card will show up on the AUs report as a new account, opened on the date that the AU was added. Amex is now one of the worse choices to get added as an AU to, for credit building purposes.
Chase, Citi, Bank of America and others are more likely to show the full history of the primary cardholder on the authorized user's report than Amex is.

Additional Option - In conjunction with being added as an AU, you can  sign up for a secure credit card.
A secured credit card works almost like a debit card (you need to lay out your credit limit), but this functions as a regular credit card and will help build your credit score.

Step 2 - Once you are setup as an AU, it is best to wait a few months before applying for your first card.

Your first card should be a store credit card, which are easier to get approved for, especially with very limited credit history.
Some of the store cards people apply for are Old Navy, Gap, Banana Republic, Kohl's, Macy's, Target etc. While these cards will not give you major signup bonuses to travel with, they do give you access to exclusive promotions and other perks when purchasing from the store.

Additional Options - The CapitalOne Journey card seems to be easier to get approved for, though understand they will pull your credit from all three agencies, while most banks only pull from one.

Discover has a student card you can apply for here. This can also be an easier option to getting approved for your first card. Their regular IT card (not student) seems to be pretty easy to get approved for with little to no credit history as well.

Step 3 - Pay your bill before your statement closes (cut off date), but leave a minimal amount remaining to be paid after your statement closes. This will help ensure that you have both a low CC utilization while establishing a good credit payment history. (This applies to new spending from this month.  Anything already 'due' should be paid in full.)

Step 4 - After using your first card for a few months, you will be ready to apply for the cards you will have read and heard so much about. Remember that getting accepted for a credit card is a combination of many factors like credit history and your credit score, but it is also dependent on the income that you claim* you make.  Income is not part of your credit report or score.

Step 5 - This is a brief synopsis of what to do when applying for credit cards. There are additional factors one should understand before applying for credit cards. DDF is a great resource and there are many people willing to answer your questions (which you should ask, albeit after attempting a search) 

*If you are under 21, you are legally only allowed to report personal income. Personal income, however, can include allowances and scholarships.
If you are over 21, you can claim any income which you have reasonable access to in order to pay back the bill, which includes the income of others in the household (spouse/parent), or anyone supporting you. Additionally, while most banks will not have you verify your income, it does happen and you should be prepared to show them. This is particularly prevalent with American Express, and is known as a Financial Review (FR).
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Re: Credit Card For Beginners
« Reply #3600 on: January 26, 2016, 01:07:40 PM »
The day I received my SSN I was approved for Discover. If that doesn't indicate no prior credit history is required im not sure what would  :o
Interesting. Which card?

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Re: Credit Card For Beginners
« Reply #3601 on: January 26, 2016, 01:09:34 PM »
They aren't limited to students, it's just their "beginner" cards (like Journey).
What do you mean by "they have stable income"?
Meaning they can report income, if that was relevant. It appears most DDFers seem to feel student cards are a waste from what I gathered, although obviously it's

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« Reply #3602 on: January 26, 2016, 01:09:55 PM »
Meaning they can report income, if that was relevant. It appears most DDFers seem to feel student cards are a waste from what I gathered, although obviously it's
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« Reply #3603 on: January 26, 2016, 01:14:30 PM »
The three pull is at times overated. I've learned alot from our freinds that have joined us from CB and have learned a lot on CB itself.  however its worth it to get your first credit card. It's a card much easier to get. I would say to ignore any discouraging folks and go for it....and let us know what happens :)
He's been banking with Capitol One happens to be. Sounds like you would favor them over discover.
Venture? Or even Quicksilver?

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Re: Credit Card For Beginners
« Reply #3604 on: January 26, 2016, 01:21:09 PM »
Interesting. Which card?

The classic Discover CB card. I think it was the student version. Maybe only students are guaranteed approval?

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« Reply #3605 on: January 26, 2016, 01:28:02 PM »
He's been banking with Capitol One happens to be. Sounds like you would favor them over discover.
Venture? Or even Quicksilver?
Not venture. Journey or/and quicksilver. Try journey first.

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Re: Credit Card For Beginners
« Reply #3606 on: January 26, 2016, 01:30:13 PM »
Not venture. Journey or/and quicksilver. Try journey first.
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« Reply #3607 on: January 26, 2016, 01:38:43 PM »
Meaning they can report income, if that was relevant. It appears most DDFers seem to feel student cards are a waste from what I gathered, although obviously it's
DDFers don't like getting cards that you have no real benefit from. They like things that you'll be happy about that you have down the line.
Who do you think you are fooling? You think you are going to pull a quick one on your Creator? Good luck with that.
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« Reply #3608 on: January 26, 2016, 01:45:23 PM »
DDFers don't like getting cards that you have no real benefit from. They like things that you'll be happy about that you have down the line.
I think that's a little extreme. Starting off with a basic no A/F card is a great way to build credit, DDFer or not, and it helps down the line with length of credit history.
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« Reply #3609 on: January 26, 2016, 01:49:08 PM »
I think that's a little extreme. Starting off with a basic no A/F card is a great way to build credit, DDFer or not, and it helps down the line with length of credit history.
It's extreme if there is no equivalent option that you'd use long term. AU cards are a great way to prop up FICO scores, and there are decent cards that would be happy to have you with that.
Who do you think you are fooling? You think you are going to pull a quick one on your Creator? Good luck with that.
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Re: Credit Card For Beginners
« Reply #3610 on: January 26, 2016, 02:18:19 PM »
If your friend has had AU cards reporting to the CRA's for six months minimum, he will have credit files and the ability to generate a credit score.

AMEX will approve cards with no personally liable cards reporting.  An ED, or BC or OBC revolver with a PRG tends to be a great starting combo.

Synchrony Bank has several store cards that will be obtainable for him, and these cards can be raised to very large credit limits with monthly soft pull CLI requests through the UW #.  The Sync Amazon card offers 5% cash back to Amazon Prime members for all Amazon purchases and is one of the most appealing store cards that I am aware of.  Sync also has a Walmart card and a Lowes card.  Many people can achieve $30,000 credit limits on the Walmart or Lowes cards within a year.

A Capital One QS is another card obtainable with clean, thin files.

Discover is wishy-washy about approving people with no personally liable accounts for an unsecured card.

Chase and Citi will want six months of history with personally liable unsecured cards prior to approvals for their unsecured products.

I personally would have your friend apply for the two AMEX cards, and either the Synchrony Amazon card (assuming they shop at Amazon) or CapOne card.  Then wait six or seven months.  Have themselves removed from all AU accounts, and make sure all the AU accounts are removed from the CRA's.  Then apply for a Freedom and/or CSP to beat Chase at their 5/24 rule.  From there, they can march steadily forward in credit pimpdom.

If AMEX declines, the secured card route is always a viable option.  It just ties up funds, and takes a year before the cards graduate to an unsecured status.  BofA, Citi and Discover all have secured card options that graduate.


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Re: Credit Card For Beginners
« Reply #3611 on: January 26, 2016, 02:26:03 PM »
Why remove the AU accounts?
Who do you think you are fooling? You think you are going to pull a quick one on your Creator? Good luck with that.
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« Reply #3612 on: January 26, 2016, 03:00:30 PM »
Not venture. Journey or/and quicksilver. Try journey first.
Thank you for clarifying. I actually meant journey. Venture actually has a bad name for low usage/no credit applications from what I've gathered.

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« Reply #3614 on: January 26, 2016, 03:10:53 PM »
If your friend has had AU cards reporting to the CRA's for six months minimum, he will have credit files and the ability to generate a credit score.

Chase and Citi will want six months of history with personally liable unsecured cards prior to approvals for their unsecured products.
-2 these are both made up

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« Reply #3615 on: January 26, 2016, 04:01:01 PM »
Why remove the AU accounts?
I could not have elaborated any more clearly.   To apply for any Chase cards subject to the 5/24 rules.

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« Reply #3616 on: January 26, 2016, 04:01:51 PM »
-2 these are both made up
What part is made up?  This should be fun

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« Reply #3617 on: January 26, 2016, 04:25:54 PM »
What part is made up?  This should be fun
LOL I hope that it is :) Also BTW I didn't mean that you made it up, I meant that whatever your source is made it up, as both of the points I quoted are simply not true.

1. There is no 6 month minimum of AU accounts reporting to the CRA's, to have credit files and to generate a credit score. I know firsthand of several people who after well less than 6 months of AU history had a credit score and got approved for cards.

2. There is no significant difference upon crossing the "6 months of unsecured credit history" threshold, for Chase and Citi approvals. I know firsthand of several people that got approved for a Chase card as their first card, and of several people that got approved for several Citi cards before crossing the 6 month threshold.

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« Reply #3618 on: January 26, 2016, 04:35:35 PM »
I could not have elaborated any more clearly.   To apply for any Chase cards subject to the 5/24 rules.
That's only if the AU cards are dated in the past 24 months. Preferably, he's getting backdated on older accounts.
Who do you think you are fooling? You think you are going to pull a quick one on your Creator? Good luck with that.
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« Reply #3619 on: January 26, 2016, 04:36:16 PM »
LOL I hope that it is :) Also BTW I didn't mean that you made it up, I meant that whatever your source is made it up, as both of the points I quoted are simply not true.

1. There is no 6 month minimum of AU accounts reporting to the CRA's, to have credit files and to generate a credit score. I know firsthand of several people who after well less than 6 months of AU history had a credit score and got approved for cards.

2. There is no significant difference upon crossing the "6 months of unsecured credit history" threshold, for Chase and Citi approvals. I know firsthand of several people that got approved for a Chase card as their first card, and of several people that got approved for several Citi cards before crossing the 6 month threshold.

In order for a FICO score to be generated, an undisputed account has to be on your reports for a minimum of six months, and updated within six months.  My source for these links are Experian and a former FICO employee.

https://blog.smartcredit.com/2011/10/03/why-do-i-have-a-credit-report-but-no-credit-score/
http://www.experian.com/blogs/ask-experian/2012/09/26/application-declined-because-score-cant-be-calculated/

My wife got her SSN in Feb 2015.  She was an AU on $300K in my credit lines.  Her listed income is $100K.  At six months, when she could generate a FICO score (EX 750), Chase and Citi declined to give her cards.  Both stated "lack of personally responsible card history".  AMEX, BofA, Sync were no problem.  My source is me.