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If you are here reading this forum/thread, you probably have heard, seen or know someone who has been leveraging credit card points for free or very low cost travel and want to get involved. While it may be very tempting to jump right in and apply for a bunch of credit cards, it is advisable to read through the forums before doing so.

For those who have no credit history, building your credit score is strongly recommended and may even be needed before applying for any credit cards.

Step 1 - Try and get added as an Authorized User (AU) on an established credit card. This card should be kept in good standing and preferably have a low credit utilization ratio.
Some have had success with Amex to get your card backdated to the primary cardholders "member since" date. Having this done will increase your credit history to that of  the account holders first Amex card.
UPDATE Amex no longer backdates any cards. Any authorized user card will show up on the AUs report as a new account, opened on the date that the AU was added. Amex is now one of the worse choices to get added as an AU to, for credit building purposes.
Chase, Citi, Bank of America and others are more likely to show the full history of the primary cardholder on the authorized user's report than Amex is.

Additional Option - In conjunction with being added as an AU, you can  sign up for a secure credit card.
A secured credit card works almost like a debit card (you need to lay out your credit limit), but this functions as a regular credit card and will help build your credit score.

Step 2 - Once you are setup as an AU, it is best to wait a few months before applying for your first card.

Your first card should be a store credit card, which are easier to get approved for, especially with very limited credit history.
Some of the store cards people apply for are Old Navy, Gap, Banana Republic, Kohl's, Macy's, Target etc. While these cards will not give you major signup bonuses to travel with, they do give you access to exclusive promotions and other perks when purchasing from the store.

Additional Options - The CapitalOne Journey card seems to be easier to get approved for, though understand they will pull your credit from all three agencies, while most banks only pull from one.

Discover has a student card you can apply for here. This can also be an easier option to getting approved for your first card. Their regular IT card (not student) seems to be pretty easy to get approved for with little to no credit history as well.

Step 3 - Pay your bill before your statement closes (cut off date), but leave a minimal amount remaining to be paid after your statement closes. This will help ensure that you have both a low CC utilization while establishing a good credit payment history. (This applies to new spending from this month.  Anything already 'due' should be paid in full.)

Step 4 - After using your first card for a few months, you will be ready to apply for the cards you will have read and heard so much about. Remember that getting accepted for a credit card is a combination of many factors like credit history and your credit score, but it is also dependent on the income that you claim* you make.  Income is not part of your credit report or score.

Step 5 - This is a brief synopsis of what to do when applying for credit cards. There are additional factors one should understand before applying for credit cards. DDF is a great resource and there are many people willing to answer your questions (which you should ask, albeit after attempting a search) 

*If you are under 21, you are legally only allowed to report personal income. Personal income, however, can include allowances and scholarships.
If you are over 21, you can claim any income which you have reasonable access to in order to pay back the bill, which includes the income of others in the household (spouse/parent), or anyone supporting you. Additionally, while most banks will not have you verify your income, it does happen and you should be prepared to show them. This is particularly prevalent with American Express, and is known as a Financial Review (FR).
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Re: Credit Card For Beginners
« Reply #980 on: May 12, 2013, 01:17:52 AM »
Ok. Thanks.
So hows this?
I open a Secure Card at Apple, if they have a non-AF card, fine. If not my next card will have to be my "first", and i'll close the Apple one totally. Sound good?
Yup. But you could also always shop around a bit and find someone who will offer a secure card that can later be turned into a non-AF CC.

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Re: Credit Card For Beginners
« Reply #981 on: May 12, 2013, 01:21:14 AM »
How often can one apply for cards?
In same bank?
Diff bank? Like chase and then amex or citi
If you are a habitual churner you should stick to AORs spread out by at least 3-4 months. If you just apply from time to time, you should be fine whenever you do it.

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Re: Credit Card For Beginners
« Reply #982 on: May 12, 2013, 01:35:31 AM »
I know Amex asks for social of AUs. Will chase and citi take it if offered? Will it help your score if they don't have it in file?
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Re: Credit Card For Beginners
« Reply #983 on: May 12, 2013, 01:39:18 AM »
If you are a habitual churner you should stick to AORs spread out by at least 3-4 months. If you just apply from time to time, you should be fine whenever you do it.

How long does it take you CS to bounce back after the initial hit from request of credit?

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Re: Credit Card For Beginners
« Reply #984 on: May 12, 2013, 02:59:18 AM »
How long does it take you CS to bounce back after the initial hit from request of credit?
I don't know the answer to your question, but the hit is only a few points per inquiry (hard pull).  That's the beauty of 2,3,4BMs - you get several cc's with their bonuses and only one credit hit.
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Re: Credit Card For Beginners
« Reply #985 on: May 12, 2013, 03:19:57 AM »
the hit is only a few points per inquiry (hard pull).
Not completely correct. Besides for the hit from the inquiry, your average CC history length also takes a hit (except when applying for business cards).
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Re: Credit Card For Beginners
« Reply #986 on: May 12, 2013, 03:24:58 AM »
How long does it take you CS to bounce back after the initial hit from request of credit?
The hit from the inquiry gradually diminishes until it completely disappears after two years. While the hit from the shortening of your average CC history length, well, that depends on how many cards you have and how long you had them etc...

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« Reply #987 on: May 12, 2013, 08:22:16 AM »
The hit from the inquiry gradually diminishes until it completely disappears after two years. While the hit from the shortening of your average CC history length, well, that depends on how many cards you have and how long you had them etc...

So a churner would have a low average and therefore hurts himself?
Any way to bring it up besides stopping if that's the case?

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Re: Credit Card For Beginners
« Reply #988 on: May 12, 2013, 09:02:53 AM »
So a churner would have a low average and therefore hurts himself?
Any way to bring it up besides stopping if that's the case?
That's why it's recommended to leave open your oldest cards, to add length to your average. Also, cards stay on your report for 7 years after their closure, so your average is never that short. Additionally, biz cards don't count. But yes, a habitual churner will never have a very long average card history. That's probably the weakest point of most of our credit scores :(

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Re: Credit Card For Beginners
« Reply #989 on: May 12, 2013, 09:08:39 AM »
Everyone here recommends only leaving a small percentage of unpaid balance when the statement closes. Does it make a difference if thats all u spent?
For example if i only spend 25 on 500 CL, and leave it till the end, is it the same as spending 400 and paying 375 right away?
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Re: Credit Card For Beginners
« Reply #990 on: May 12, 2013, 09:18:27 AM »
Everyone here recommends only leaving a small percentage of unpaid balance when the statement closes. Does it make a difference if thats all u spent?
For example if i only spend 25 on 500 CL, and leave it till the end, is it the same as spending 400 and paying 375 right away?
Yup.

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Re: Credit Card For Beginners
« Reply #991 on: May 12, 2013, 11:08:22 AM »
Everyone here recommends only leaving a small percentage of unpaid balance when the statement closes. Does it make a difference if thats all u spent?
For example if i only spend 25 on 500 CL, and leave it till the end, is it the same as spending 400 and paying 375 right away?
Yes

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Re: Credit Card For Beginners
« Reply #992 on: May 12, 2013, 11:08:56 AM »
That's why it's recommended to leave open your oldest cards, to add length to your average. Also, cards stay on your report for 7 years after their closure, so your average is never that short. Additionally, biz cards don't count. But yes, a habitual churner will never have a very long average card history. That's probably the weakest point of most of our credit scores :(

So anyway you see bringing your score 800+?

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« Reply #993 on: May 12, 2013, 11:13:49 AM »
That's why it's recommended to leave open your oldest cards, to add length to your average. Also, cards stay on your report for 7 years after their closure, so your average is never that short. Additionally, biz cards don't count. But yes, a habitual churner will never have a very long average card history. That's probably the weakest point of most of our credit scores :(
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« Reply #995 on: May 12, 2013, 08:32:30 PM »
My brother is having trouble opening a card. Every card he applied for told him that they cant verify his information or that he has too little history. This includes even the secured card from BoA as well as different student cards. What do you suggest he do?

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Re: Credit Card For Beginners
« Reply #996 on: May 12, 2013, 08:35:02 PM »
My brother is having trouble opening a card. Every card he applied for told him that they cant verify his information or that he has too little history. This includes even the secured card from BoA as well as different student cards. What do you suggest he do?
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Re: Credit Card For Beginners
« Reply #997 on: May 12, 2013, 08:35:12 PM »
My brother is having trouble opening a card. Every card he applied for told him that they cant verify his information or that he has too little history. This includes even the secured card from BoA as well as different student cards. What do you suggest he do?
tried already putting him up as a AU on a existing card?

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« Reply #998 on: May 12, 2013, 08:35:39 PM »
My brother is having trouble opening a card. Every card he applied for told him that they cant verify his information or that he has too little history. This includes even the secured card from BoA as well as different student cards. What do you suggest he do?
Seems like you skipped stem 1 in the wiki.

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« Reply #999 on: May 12, 2013, 08:37:47 PM »
Seems like you skipped stem 1 in the wiki.

To be an Au? lets say thats not an option? Also why would he have trouble being approved for a secured card?