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Some of them are masters of HUCA and have no problem speaking to the same person.
They ask for retention bonuses.
They ask for termination fees.
Very churnable. The real experts churn every day. Others every month or year.
They always call the reconsideration department.
Some get instant approval and a 2bm with office and home. Husband and wife.
Others get rejected for too many pulls. Last 6 months matter most. 2 years of records are kept.
The applicants don't work, churning is their job.  
They have lots of points. Are frequent flyers.
Always fly in first class.
Tour the entire world. Chabad House not a requirement.
Some should be F/R'd.
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Re: How much do shnorors make?
« Reply #40 on: April 06, 2013, 11:37:06 PM »
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Re: How much do shnorors make?
« Reply #41 on: April 06, 2013, 11:43:02 PM »
Quote from: michael on April 06, 2013, 11:23:28 PM
Correct. But if you're the giver, you'd want it to be counted as charity anyway, if possible. That deduction is capped at half your income.
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Re: How much do shnorors make?
« Reply #42 on: April 06, 2013, 11:51:17 PM »
Quote from: michael on April 06, 2013, 11:23:28 PM
Correct. But if you're the giver, you'd want it to be counted as charity anyway, if possible. That deduction is capped at half your income.

I didn't link the annual gift tax exclusion to shnoring, I just corrected the $13k to $14k, to help other ddf'ers keep up with the feds...
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Re: How much do shnorors make?
« Reply #43 on: April 07, 2013, 01:18:18 PM »
How did we start talking about gift tax in a thread on donations?
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Re: How much do shnorors make?
« Reply #44 on: April 07, 2013, 01:22:57 PM »
Quote from: Dan on April 07, 2013, 01:18:18 PM
How did we start talking about gift tax in a thread on donations?

I think that it just passes the bare minimum level to be considered "going OT"
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Re: How much do shnorors make?
« Reply #45 on: April 07, 2013, 01:33:02 PM »
Quote from: Dan on April 07, 2013, 01:18:18 PM
How did we start talking about gift tax in a thread on donations?
Because some of us are shnorrrers and want to make sure that the charitable gifts we receive are non taxable. very simple  :)
 
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Re: How much do shnorors make?
« Reply #46 on: April 07, 2013, 01:35:02 PM »
Quote from: churnbabychurn on April 07, 2013, 01:33:02 PM
Because some of us are shnorrrers and want to make sure that the charitable gifts we receive are non taxable. very simple  :)
Which person is giving a shnorr $14K ($28K for married givers) ???
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Re: How much do shnorors make?
« Reply #47 on: April 07, 2013, 01:37:45 PM »
Quote from: Dan on April 07, 2013, 01:35:02 PM
Which person is giving a shnorr $14K ($28K for married givers) ???

You're apparently not a very good shnorrer  ;D
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Re: How much do shnorors make?
« Reply #48 on: April 07, 2013, 01:42:59 PM »
Quote from: Dan on April 07, 2013, 01:35:02 PM
Which person is giving a shnorr $14K ($28K for married givers) ???
Im talking shnorres point of view, it went OT after someone thought that gift tax applies to receiver, It does not. Therefore any income a shnorer makes from shnorrrering from $0 to a billion bucks is non taxable.
They should start taking CC! 
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Re: How much do shnorors make?
« Reply #49 on: April 07, 2013, 01:49:05 PM »
If they were carrying around an iPhone people wouldn't give em anything.
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Re: How much do shnorors make?
« Reply #50 on: April 07, 2013, 01:50:16 PM »
Quote from: churnbabychurn on April 07, 2013, 01:42:59 PM
Im talking shnorres point of view, it went OT after someone thought that gift tax applies to receiver, It does not. Therefore any income a shnorer makes from shnorrrering from $0 to a billion bucks is non taxable.
They should start taking CC!

Here we go again. It's not really a gift, as this is the recipient's trade, so that's only if they get 501(c)(3) status. Otherwise they must declare it as income. Sorry  :P
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Re: How much do shnorors make?
« Reply #51 on: April 07, 2013, 01:50:42 PM »
Can we start a new thread of sightings of Shnorrers that take cc.
1 for me- about 6 months ago, in Monsey blueberry hill shul, someone got up to give one of the mini speaches after davening and had a cc machine...
I think this guy was well ahead of his time...
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Re: How much do shnorors make?
« Reply #52 on: April 07, 2013, 01:54:04 PM »
Quote from: Dan on April 07, 2013, 01:49:05 PM
If they were carrying around an iPhone people wouldn't give em anything.
If I saw a shnorrer with a Centro (nebach) Id give him a donation... ;)
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Re: How much do shnorors make?
« Reply #53 on: April 07, 2013, 01:54:48 PM »
Quote from: Barryg on April 07, 2013, 01:50:42 PM
Can we start a new thread of sightings of Shnorrers that take cc.
1 for me- about 6 months ago, in Monsey blueberry hill shul, someone got up to give one of the mini speaches after davening and had a cc machine...
I think this guy was well ahead of his time...

I've seen this many times, though they were collecting for organizations. Have you seen this when the person was collecting for himself?
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Re: How much do shnorors make?
« Reply #54 on: April 07, 2013, 02:04:38 PM »
Quote from: michael on April 07, 2013, 01:50:16 PM
Here we go again. It's not really a gift, as this is the recipient's trade, so that's only if they get 501(c)(3) status. Otherwise they must declare it as income. Sorry  :P
I disagree,
In five recent court decisions the court has ruled that income received from begging are nontaxable gifts. in a reversal of normal roles the beggars contended that the amounts received were earned income because they wanted to collect the earned  income credit, the courts ruled that they were nontaxable gifts.  :P
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Re: How much do shnorors make?
« Reply #55 on: April 07, 2013, 02:07:42 PM »
Quote from: churnbabychurn on April 07, 2013, 02:04:38 PM
I disagree,
In five recent court decisions the court has ruled that income received from begging are nontaxable gifts. in a reversal of normal roles the beggars contended that the amounts received were earned income because they wanted to collect the earned  income credit, the courts ruled that they were nontaxable gifts.  :P

Can you post the cite for one of them?
Also, I have trouble imagining that the court would have ruled the same way if it was the donor in court being charged gift tax.
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Re: How much do shnorors make?
« Reply #56 on: April 07, 2013, 02:10:51 PM »
Quote from: henche on April 07, 2013, 02:07:42 PM
Can you post the cite for one of them?
Also, I have trouble imagining that the court would have ruled the same way if it was the donor in court being charged gift tax.
sorry cant, its in a "Southwestern Federal Taxation" textbook page 5-5. Its one of those "Tax in the news" things that they stick it to make things interesting, they dont supply the cite... doubt they made it up though 
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Re: How much do shnorors make?
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Re: How much do shnorors make?
« Reply #58 on: April 07, 2013, 02:30:39 PM »
It's  T.C. Memo. 1999-317 and through 321. There were 5 prisoners who tried the same thing. They all would get a bit of money from their family, and they tried getting EITC (about 80 bucks of it). The Tax court says money from begging is not earned income, it a gift.

Presumably they got the idea from this case though: Basada v CIR T.C. Memo. 1998-144. Here, the guy was street hustling, panhandling, pimping, and gambling. He earned about 5k, and the issue was whether he is liable for self employment tax--which is only chal if you are engaged in a trade or business. The tax court says he was involved in a trade or business and owed self employment and other taxes on all of it.

So basically, the Basada case and the other 5 conflict, and the tzad hashaveh is that the begger lost. Yah.
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Re: How much do shnorors make?
« Reply #59 on: April 07, 2013, 02:40:34 PM »
Quote from: henche on April 07, 2013, 02:30:39 PM
It's  T.C. Memo. 1999-317 and through 321. There were 5 prisoners who tried the same thing. They all would get a bit of money from their family, and they tried getting EITC (about 80 bucks of it). The Tax court says money from begging is not earned income, it a gift.

Presumably they got the idea from this case though: Basada v CIR T.C. Memo. 1998-144. Here, the guy was street hustling, panhandling, pimping, and gambling. He earned about 5k, and the issue was whether he is liable for self employment tax--which is only chal if you are engaged in a trade or business. The tax court says he was involved in a trade or business and owed self employment and other taxes on all of it.

So basically, the Basada case and the other 5 conflict, and the tzad hashaveh is that the begger lost. Yah.

From the Basada case: "Petitioner was engaged in street-hustling with continuity and regularity, and with the primary objective of earning an income or profit."

The main point here is continuity and regularity, I think. What does that say for our shnorers?
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