National Geographic: Inside Hasidic Judaism Documentary

[Dan]

Split...Seemed interesting enough to warrant its own thread...

[CountValentine]

Split...Seemed interesting enough to warrant its own thread...

All we need is for someone to start asking questions. 

[yuneeq]

All we need is for someone to start asking questions. 

Let's start with you

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[SamKey]

Let's start with you

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[jj1000]

Question 1. If a baptised Catholic becomes an observant Jew is he always Catholic? How big a sin is it?

Is it very looked down upon even if they were born Jewish?

[Dan]

Question 1. If a baptised Catholic becomes an observant Jew is he always Catholic? How big a sin is it?

Is it very looked down upon even if they were born Jewish?

Considering that they follow paternal lineage I don't think they would consider him a Jew at all.
OTOH as we go my maternal lineage we don't consider him a catholic at all.

[Yitz]

Do you know any of the people?
Anyone know who this Luzer Twersky guy is?
I feel like I saw him in a couple of these type of videos...

I know of him he comes from a real chasidic family. He has posted openly that he eats pig. Very sad story

[Dan]

Think if Luzer was lubavitch he may still be frum?

I.E. Is the fact that there is more room to "chill out" within chabad and not be ostracized (a gray area if you will) mean that there are fewer lubavitchers who will completely leave orthodox judaism versus chagas chasidim where things are more black and white (either you're in or you're out)?

[sky121]

Think if Luzer was lubavitch he may still be frum?

I.E. Is the fact that there is more room to "chill out" within chabad and not be ostracized (a gray area if you will) mean that there are fewer lubavitchers who will completely leave orthodox judaism versus chagas chasidim where things are more black and white (either you're in or you're out)?

I def think it helps.

Though that also has its negative aspects.

[ChAiM'l]

Think if Luzer was lubavitch he may still be frum?

I.E. Is the fact that there is more room to "chill out" within chabad and not be ostracized (a gray area if you will) mean that there are fewer lubavitchers who will completely leave orthodox judaism versus chagas chasidim where things are more black and white (either you're in or you're out)?

Are you saying that someone from an unstable family, that was molested has more of a chance of staying frum if he is a Lubavitcher?

[CountValentine]

Question 1. If a baptised Catholic becomes an observant Jew is he always Catholic? How big a sin is it?

Yes and IMHO it would not be a sin.

[Dan]

Are you saying that someone from an unstable family, that was molested has more of a chance of staying frum if he is a Lubavitcher?

Sorry, I watched the video without looking into the specifics of that case!
I was referring to someone who had a normal upbringing.

[Yitz]

Sorry, I watched the video without looking into the specifics of that case!
I was referring to someone who had a normal upbringing.

You might be right anyway

[ChAiM'l]

Sorry, I watched the video without looking into the specifics of that case!
I was referring to someone who had a normal upbringing.

I think not. The majority do stay somewhat within the framework.

The difference lies in the ones that go the whole nine yards. CMIIW, but a Lubavitcher would have a much easier time integrating into the secular world, due to them being more 'exposed' and 'open-minded' than mainstream chassidim. You therefore have the likes of Luzer Twersky, Deborah Feldman and the rest of the Footsteps crew, being very vocal and public about their situation.

That, in turn, makes the public think that it is more of a problem amongst that type.

[meshugener]

@ChAiM'l:
Luzer Twersky comes from an unstable family?
AFAIK, there's nothing wrong with his family, his father is the Foltishane rabbe of Boro Park.

[Dan]

The majority do stay somewhat within the framework.

Of course.
I'm talking about the outliers not the majority.
My speculation is that lubavitchers on the fringes are more like to remain frum than those from communities which have less tolerance for those who rebel.

[ChAiM'l]

@ChAiM'l:
Luzer Twersky comes from an unstable family?

Not everything has to be in the public domain.

Of course.
I'm talking about the outliers not the majority.
My speculation is that lubavitchers on the fringes are more like to remain frum than those from communities which have less tolerance for those who rebel.

I was talking about the fringe. When people are disillusioned, they move away from what they grew up with. That path differs from one community to another.

I think that the difference is more in the look. A Lubavitcher that changes his dress to more 'modern', won't look as out of place in his community, as a different chassid would. That doesn't mean that the Lubavitcher didn't go as far.

[Dan]

I think that the difference is more in the look. A Lubavitcher that changes his dress to more 'modern', won't look as out of place in his community, as a different chassid would. That doesn't mean that the Lubavitcher didn't go as far.

I can only speak circumstantially, but from the Lubabs I know that shave their beard and change their dress and appearance, they still are totally frum and keep not only the big stuff (shabbos/kosher/tefilin/etc) but also the near and dear chabad stuff (cholov yisroel/rabbeinu tam/singing soulful nigunim while getting drunk etc.)

I may be totally off, but when there is a grey area that's tolerated, people that may otherwise have left completely can find comfort there.

[ChAiM'l]

I may be totally off, but when there is a grey area that's tolerated, people that may otherwise have left completely can find comfort there.

You are not off, and the mainstream chassidishe community has come a long way, to the point where people that have changed from what they were brought up with are still very much part of their community.

There are always exceptions, of course.

[sky121]

You are not off, and the mainstream chassidishe community has come a long way, to the point where people that have changed from what they were brought up with are still very much part of their community.

There are always exceptions, of course.

Would you really say that?

       When I visit Israel -I feel as though half are still so stuck in the black and white and the other are dressed Chassidish and basically that's it.