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Re: Intel vs Amd
« Reply #20 on: May 14, 2023, 04:57:54 AM »
Here's your classic clickbait title.
https://www.pcmag.com/news/amd-hits-new-high-in-x86-chip-market-amid-intel-slump

There's lots of fine print regarding how they arrived at those numbers.
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Re: Intel vs Amd
« Reply #21 on: May 18, 2023, 09:07:34 AM »
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Re: Intel vs Amd
« Reply #22 on: May 18, 2023, 02:58:38 PM »
https://www.pcgamer.com/amd-is-quietly-smashing-intel-in-the-mobile-chip-game/
A propaganda piece.
I am interested in what you are posting I just don't understand what you mean. Why is it all propaganda? Is AMD really not doing better than Intel?
Which part is untrue?

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Re: Intel vs Amd
« Reply #23 on: May 18, 2023, 05:13:41 PM »
I am interested in what you are posting I just don't understand what you mean. Why is it all propaganda? Is AMD really not doing better than Intel?
Which part is untrue?
read the article. you will understand what he means.

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Re: Intel vs Amd
« Reply #24 on: May 19, 2023, 12:38:54 AM »
I am interested in what you are posting I just don't understand what you mean. Why is it all propaganda? Is AMD really not doing better than Intel?
Which part is untrue?
There are several objective places in which AMD is doing better than Intel. There are also several objective places in which Intel is doing better than AMD. There is more of the former than there was, say, five years ago, and less of the latter in the same time frame.
Propaganda is not always untrue, just like Loshon Hora. To bring a list of the former and mention none (or almost none) of the latter is propaganda.
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Re: Intel vs Amd
« Reply #25 on: May 19, 2023, 11:40:28 AM »
There are several objective places in which AMD is doing better than Intel. There are also several objective places in which Intel is doing better than AMD. There is more of the former than there was, say, five years ago, and less of the latter in the same time frame.
Propaganda is not always untrue, just like Loshon Hora. To bring a list of the former and mention none (or almost none) of the latter is propaganda.
Basically you're bothered that they included gaming hardware?

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Re: Intel vs Amd
« Reply #26 on: May 20, 2023, 05:09:58 PM »
Basically you're bothered that they included gaming hardware?
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I don't understand the question. Are you asking if I care that they ONLY discussed the high-end performance in laptops? It was a bit more nuanced than that...
Also, regardless, I am not bothered by any of this.
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Re: Intel vs Amd
« Reply #27 on: May 21, 2023, 01:22:09 AM »
Tom's Hardware review of the AMD K6 (Apr 6 1997)
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel,22.html
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Re: Intel vs Amd
« Reply #28 on: June 06, 2023, 04:16:42 AM »
Disclaimer: I'm warning you now that this is not a fair fight. We'll see if there is ever a fair comparison to make this generation.

These two laptops make an interesting case study, on sale for the same price. Let's compare them.
First candidate is a sale I posted yesterday. This computer has modern specs, though it needs more RAM and the i7 is not the best 45W i7 available.
Lastly, $1000 for the MSI Cyborg (they all have weird names now) with a slightly lower-clocked i7-12650H and an RTX 4060. You'll need to add RAM. https://www.bestbuy.com/site/msi-cyborg-15-6-144hz-gaming-laptop-intel-core-i7-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4060-with-8gb-ram-and-512gb-ssd-black/6532164.p?skuId=6532164
Today the Nitro 5 went on sale for the same price, with higher power but last gen specs.
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/acer-nitro5-15-6gaming-laptop-2560-x-1440-qhd-freesyncpremium-ryzen7-6800h-nvidia-geforce-rtx-3070-ti-with-16gb-ddr5-1tb-ssd-black/6539359.p?skuId=6539359

Specs on paper:
MSI Cyborg versus Acer Nitro 5
Intel 12650H (Cinebench: 14252) v AMD Ryzen 7 6800H (13623)
RTX 4060 @45w (3DMark 11: 26146) v RTX 3070 TI (est: 125W, an educated guess) (The 3070 plain gets 28000. Couldn't find a review with the TI)
1080p 144Hz v QHD 165Hz
512GB (4.0, 35/25) v 1TB
2x4GB DDR5 4800 v 2x8GB DDR5 4800
2xUSB A + 1xUSB C v 3XUSB A + 1xUSB C
1 M2 slot v 2 M2 slots (and 1 2.5" drive slot, but you have to buy the cables from Acer - around $18)
4.4 lbs v 5.5 lbs

The verdict: if you use ray tracing or absolutely need a pound less weight, go with the newer. If not, the older is a higher-level laptop and it shows in a number of ways, even though it has last-gen specs.

Nitro: Review with 32GB of RAM but otherwise identical: https://techtelegraph.co.uk/review-acer-nitro-5-an515-46/
Review with 16GB of RAM and only a 3070 and a lower quality screen, but more in depth: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Acer-Nitro-5-AN515-46-review-powerful-FHD-gaming-with-USB-4.665843.0.html

Cyborg: https://www.notebookcheck.net/MSI-Cyborg-15-A12VF-review-Gaming-laptop-with-low-power-RTX-4060.707610.0.html
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Re: Intel vs Amd
« Reply #29 on: June 15, 2023, 11:09:49 AM »
Starting an in-depth comparison of laptop processors here. Follow if you want to know more.
Everything you wanted to know about laptop processors (Don't want to? No one is forcing you to read this)
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Re: Intel vs Amd
« Reply #30 on: June 19, 2023, 10:33:32 AM »
Finished my comparison if you feel like checking back.
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Re: Intel vs Amd
« Reply #32 on: October 12, 2023, 10:35:40 AM »
A quick and vague head to head comparison between ULV Intel and AMD laptop processors.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-ThinkPad-T14s-G4-Intel-models-are-better-for-single-core-tasks.758714.0.html
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Re: Intel vs Amd
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Re: Intel vs Amd
« Reply #36 on: December 04, 2023, 12:01:08 PM »
I'm not taking sides but the Ryzen 5 7520U was definitely A LOT cheaper then would be expected...
I don't take sides either - the result is the only thing that matters.
So here goes: AMD's press release announcing Mendoccino (7X2XU for the rest of you) said: for ultra-budget laptops (ie competing with Celeron and Pentium), but with better integrated graphics, better battery life, and DDR5 RAM. The only thing that didn't carry through was the price - these were supposed to come in sub-$300 laptops. Oops. Truth be told, the only problem I had with these was labeling one of them a Ryzen 5 - it should have been capped at Ryzen 3. Consider: the Ryzen 5 7520 that Intel is roasting underperforms the Ryzen 3 5300U (2021), and of course the Ryzen 3 7330U (Zen 3 refresh to the 5300U with DDR5 support). To be fair, there are no Zen 4 Ryzen 3s, those start from Ryzen 5.
Sorry, Intel is right about this one. This ONE processor.
And as said, no one's processor numbers have ever been very clear to the consumer. To cherry-pick one example (hey, everyone is doing it), I love how the i3-1220P (28W, 2 P-cores and 6 E-cores) outperforms the i7-1265U (15W, 2 P-cores and 8 E-cores) by a slight margin. It does appear that Intel is separating the high-powered processors from the low-powered ones next generation, calling the former Core Ultra and the latter Core, so maybe the consumer will understand that a Core 7 may not outperform a Core Ultra 5, but we'll see when the reviews come in.
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Re: Intel vs Amd
« Reply #37 on: December 05, 2023, 03:35:04 AM »
More takes on Intel's campaign, including some commentary regarding how ironic it is.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Core-Truths-absurd-campaign-unironically-takes-aim-at-AMD-a-year-after-Ryzen-7000-naming-scheme-change.778609.0.html
https://www.pcworld.com/article/2161838/intel-fud-site-slams-amd-for-misleading-ryzen-branding.html
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Ironically, AMD’s naming scheme was spearheaded by Robert Hallock, then director of technical marketing for AMD. Hallock subsequently left AMD for Intel, where he currently holds a similar title. It’s not clear whether Hallock was aware of or signed off on Intel’s presentation.
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Re: Intel vs Amd
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Re: Intel vs Amd
« Reply #39 on: December 20, 2023, 11:19:07 AM »
New laptops with Core Ultra processors ("Meteor Lake" - the CU7 155H, to be precise) now hitting the market. I spotted these. The first seem a bit overpriced considering a previous gen similar model is on sale for $700.
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/asus-zenbook-14-oled-14-3k-touch-laptop-intel-core-ultra-7-32gb-memory-1tb-ssd-ponder-blue/6569307.p?skuId=6569307
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/msi-prestige-13-oled-laptop-intel-evo-edition-intel-core-ultra-7-intel-arc-graphics-with-32gb-memory-1tb-ssd-stellar-gray/6568904.p?skuId=6568904

The latter is intriguing, as it is both Evo Edition certified (12 hours wifi use, Wifi 7, and random things), has dedicated graphics (in a 13" model, though only Intel Arc A370) and only 2.18 lbs.

The reviewers have not gotten their hands on any Meteor Lake laptops yet, so we'll see.
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