NBA Master Thread

[skyguy918]

I can't pick the last definition as he wasn't the shortest. 

So Rajon Rondo wasn't their PG this past season? He didn't bring the ball up the floor most of the time, initiate the offense, pass the most, have the most touches (adjusted for playing time), etc?

[ChaimMoskowitz]

So Rajon Rondo wasn't their PG this past season? He didn't bring the ball up the floor most of the time, initiate the offense, pass the most, have the most touches (adjusted for playing time), etc?

OK you got me. He did bring the ball up the floor and pass to Butler who ran the offense. 

[skyguy918]

OK you got me. He did bring the ball up the floor and pass to Butler who ran the offense. 

So by your logic, Shaq was the greatest PG to play the game, right?

[ChaimMoskowitz]

So by your logic, Shaq was the greatest PG to play the game, right?

No MJ!!!

[Baruch]

Come to think of it he is not even a Scottie Pippen.

I agree. Scottie Pippen is better than Kyrie. (If the argument would be if LeBron is better than MJ, you would have said Pippen was worse, but whatever.)

Kyrie is the best finisher in the history of the game.

That famous clip of Jordan repositioning his shot at the last second - Kyrie does that a few times a week.

[ChaimMoskowitz]

Kyrie is the best finisher in the history of the game.

Please troll somewhere else.

[Baruch]

Please troll somewhere else.

[Dan]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2723393-kyrie-irving-cavaliers-trade-lebron-james-nba-offseason

[EJB]

Imo he's the best finisher in the game today. All time is a stretch at the moment

[ChaimMoskowitz]

Imo he's the best finisher in the game today. All time is a stretch at the moment

So you are only drinking half the Kool-Aid.

[Dan]

So you are only drinking half the Kool-Aid.

He's having the blue instead of the red.

[ChaimMoskowitz]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2723393-kyrie-irving-cavaliers-trade-lebron-james-nba-offseason

Should Irving be a franchise centerpiece at all? He's known to be moody and difficult to reach. He has a tendency to dominate the ball. He doesn't elevate teammates. He plays no defense. Nothing about him screams "leader."

Maybe they should read this thread and understand he is the greatest finisher of all time!!! 

[mochjas]

Should Irving be a franchise centerpiece at all? He's known to be moody and difficult to reach. He has a tendency to dominate the ball. He doesn't elevate teammates. He plays no defense. Nothing about him screams "leader."

Maybe they should read this thread and understand he is the greatest finisher of all time!!! 

I dont disagree with all this stuff, all I'm saying is that he is a good piece to build a team around. Most stars dominate the ball, so that is not an issue. Its hard to elevate your players when you are not THE guy. If he becomes THE guy I could see him elevating his teammates.

 Again no one is saying that he would go to the finals. All Im saying is that if you want to start a franchise from scratch he is a good place to start.

He is not the best and he certainly isnt perfect. But he is a great young piece to start a team with.

About this finishing thing, the problem is today with social media one clip goes viral and people think someone is the best ever. Everyone saying he is the best finisher even today. that is not true. If I knew how to use basketball reference I would look it up and have numbers to prove. I think what everyone means to say is that he makes the toughest shots, but the best finisher is someone who makes a high percentage of shots in the paint. I would guess curry, KD, LBJ, DJ etc are all better finishers than kyrie but what everyone here means is that he is best at changing his shot and making tough finishes.

Finally, @ChaimMoskowitz you spent the last few pages opposing everyone's opinions without giving what you believe is correct. You will be better served telling us who you think is the best finisher of all time instead of putting the person down (again I do not think kyrie is the best finisher of all time or even the best finisher today)

end rant

[ChaimMoskowitz]

Finally, @ChaimMoskowitz you spent the last few pages opposing everyone's opinions without giving what you believe is correct. You will be better served telling us who you think is the best finisher of all time instead of putting the person down (again I do not think kyrie is the best finisher of all time or even the best finisher today)

Where am I putting him down. When everyone was falling over themselves about the so called best block ever I was the one pointing out it was Kyrie's shot that won the game/title.

Look at that same game. When neither team could score at the end for many minutes why didn't the best finisher of all time take it to the whole on several chances he had?

How are you going to have an honest discussion with someone that has this ludicrous belief he is the best finisher ever. Just Google best finishers ever and see his name is never mentioned. Where did this idiotic non-sense come from?

[mochjas]

Where am I putting him down. When everyone was falling over themselves about the so called best block ever I was the one pointing out it was Kyrie's shot that won the game/title.

Look at that same game. When neither team could score at the end for many minutes why didn't the best finisher of all time take it to the whole on several chances he had?

How are you going to have an honest discussion with someone that has this ludicrous belief he is the best finisher ever. Just Google best finishers ever and see his name is never mentioned. Where did this idiotic non-sense come from?

i know how to google. But would like to hear your opinions when you oppose somebody. Like when we finally learnt that you think jimmy butler is a point guard

[ChaimMoskowitz]

i know how to google.

Great, now show one list where he is even listed. I am not talking about #1 just being mentioned at all.

[mochjas]

Great, now show one list where he is even listed. I am not talking about #1 just being mentioned at all.

show me one post where I said he was #1

[EJB]

Great, now show one list where he is even listed. I am not talking about #1 just being mentioned at all.

To be fair, basically everyone on NBA radio yesterday and today said kyrie is top 10 PLAYER in NBA right now. I disagree with this but maintain what I said about him being the top finisher. Who's better? IT?

[mochjas]

To be fair, basically everyone on NBA radio yesterday and today said kyrie is top 10 PLAYER in NBA right now. I disagree with this but maintain what I said about him being the top finisher. Who's better? IT?

ill take this one. Westbrook, curry, Kd, harden , lebron, DJ

[EJB]

ill take this one. Westbrook, curry, Kd, harden , lebron, DJ

Offensive talents, maybe. Finishers, most are a league behind him. Westbrook is the only one on this list that gives him a real run for his $