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Re: NBA Master Thread
« Reply #2840 on: July 24, 2017, 06:30:51 PM »
Offensive talents, maybe. Finishers, most are a league behind him. Westbrook is the only one on this list that gives him a real run for his $
I'm  talking finishers. Why don't you look up the numbers on basketball reference and end the discussion. I'll even through dame lillard ahead of kyrie as a finisher. Again not talking about pretty finishes, talking about converting in the paint

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Re: NBA Master Thread
« Reply #2841 on: July 24, 2017, 06:32:55 PM »
I'm  talking finishers. Why don't you look up the numbers on basketball reference and end the discussion. I'll even through dame lillard ahead of kyrie as a finisher. Again not talking about pretty finishes, talking about converting in the paint

Fg% in the paint? Put Yao Ming on the list then. That's not what I'd consider a finisher, but it's all a matter of definition.

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Re: NBA Master Thread
« Reply #2842 on: July 24, 2017, 06:37:14 PM »
Fg% in the paint? Put Yao Ming on the list then. That's not what I'd consider a finisher, but it's all a matter of definition.
what is a finisher then?

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Re: NBA Master Thread
« Reply #2843 on: July 24, 2017, 07:29:32 PM »
Welcome D-Rose!

And even using a fg% definition of finisher, Kyrie is up there with the top. But he is much more than that - his ability to finish at the rim many different ways in traffic, with both hands, at impossible angles, after a significant amount of contact, etc., is what sets Kyrie apart from most on your list.

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Re: NBA Master Thread
« Reply #2844 on: July 24, 2017, 07:39:04 PM »
show me one post where I said he was #1
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Re: NBA Master Thread
« Reply #2845 on: July 24, 2017, 07:41:00 PM »
what is a finisher then?
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Re: NBA Master Thread
« Reply #2846 on: July 24, 2017, 07:44:15 PM »
Welcome D-Rose!

And even using a fg% definition of finisher, Kyrie is up there with the top. But he is much more than that - his ability to finish at the rim many different ways in traffic, with both hands, at impossible angles, after a significant amount of contact, etc., is what sets Kyrie apart from most on your list.


About this finishing thing, the problem is today with social media one clip goes viral and people think someone is the best ever. Everyone saying he is the best finisher even today. that is not true. If I knew how to use basketball reference I would look it up and have numbers to prove. I think what everyone means to say is that he makes the toughest shots, but the best finisher is someone who makes a high percentage of shots in the paint. I would guess curry, KD, LBJ, DJ etc are all better finishers than kyrie but what everyone here means is that he is best at changing his shot and making tough finishes.


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Re: NBA Master Thread
« Reply #2847 on: July 24, 2017, 07:45:23 PM »
Welcome D-Rose!

are you really excited about d rose who needs the ball in his hand and can't make a 3 to save his life?

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Re: NBA Master Thread
« Reply #2848 on: July 24, 2017, 07:47:01 PM »
are you really excited about d rose who needs the ball in his hand and can't make a 3 to save his life?
...but he is a real finisher when healthy. Second best the Bulls ever had.  :)
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Re: NBA Master Thread
« Reply #2849 on: July 24, 2017, 07:49:39 PM »
...but he is a real finisher when healthy. Second best the Bulls ever had.  :)
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Re: NBA Master Thread
« Reply #2850 on: July 24, 2017, 07:53:48 PM »
lol
I been laughing this whole best finisher BS. Glad someone else is joining in.
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Re: NBA Master Thread
« Reply #2851 on: July 24, 2017, 07:58:01 PM »


Using an eff fg% on drives of players that have a significant number of drives a game (>7 or so),  kyrie is top 10 each of the past 3 years. The players above him are:
1. LBJ
2. Rose
3. Derozan
4. Liliard
5. Cousins (I'm fine considering him a good finisher, of all of the big men)

His FT% helps him in these statistics despite his drives or fg% not being as high as some of the players on this list.

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Re: NBA Master Thread
« Reply #2852 on: July 24, 2017, 07:59:13 PM »
...but he is a real finisher when healthy. Second best the Bulls ever had.  :)

D rose was much better than JB at finishing using all of the definitions floated around this thread. Even the past few years. I wish they had the advanced stats on MJ, I'm sure he'd be up there, but im curious how he'd compare to some of the elite finishers today.

Obviously he won't be a difference maker for the cavs, but if he plays like he did last year I'll take him for $2m

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Re: NBA Master Thread
« Reply #2853 on: July 24, 2017, 08:02:51 PM »
Anyone have the latest line on Rose staying healthy for the entire 17-18 season?
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Re: NBA Master Thread
« Reply #2854 on: July 24, 2017, 08:03:26 PM »
Actually, d rose was much better than JB at finishing using all of the definitions floated around this thread. Even the past few years. Obviously he won't be a difference maker for the cavs, but if he plays like he did last year I'll take him for $2m
All the definitions in this thread are for jokes. Who is going to take the ball to the hole and score when the game is on the line? That person is not you know who.
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Re: NBA Master Thread
« Reply #2855 on: July 24, 2017, 08:03:29 PM »
Anyone have the latest line on Rose staying healthy for the entire 17-18 season?

What's your def? 60+ games?

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Re: NBA Master Thread
« Reply #2856 on: July 24, 2017, 08:03:56 PM »
Anyone have the latest line on Rose staying healthy for the entire 17-18 season?
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Re: NBA Master Thread
« Reply #2857 on: July 24, 2017, 08:04:10 PM »
All the definitions in this thread are for jokes. Who is going to take the ball to the hole and score when the game is on the line? That person is not you know who.

If you want more made up definitions, that's a "closer," not a "finisher"

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Re: NBA Master Thread
« Reply #2858 on: July 24, 2017, 08:04:56 PM »
What's your def? 60+ games?
0 DNP-Injury games :P
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Re: NBA Master Thread
« Reply #2859 on: July 24, 2017, 08:08:03 PM »
ill take this one. Westbrook, curry, Kd, harden , lebron, DJ
I'm  talking finishers. Why don't you look up the numbers on basketball reference and end the discussion. I'll even through dame lillard ahead of kyrie as a finisher. Again not talking about pretty finishes, talking about converting in the paint
I don't disagree about Irving, but you probably didn't take your own advice, what with Westbrook at the top of your list. NBA.com has a FG% on drives, and Westbrook's was actually lower than Irving's.

http://stats.nba.com/players/shooting-efficiency/#!?sort=DRIVE_FG_PCT&dir=1&Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PerMode=Totals&CF=DRIVE_PTS*GE*200

Lebron and Durant are on a whole other level from the rest of the league in this category.

ETA:
Using an eff fg% on drives of players that have a significant number of drives a game (>7 or so),  kyrie is top 10 each of the past 3 years. The players above him are:
1. LBJ
2. Rose
3. Derozan
4. Liliard
5. Cousins (I'm fine considering him a good finisher, of all of the big men)

His FT% helps him in these statistics despite his drives or fg% not being as high as some of the players on this list.
First of all, he's #11 by that exact definition for this past year. Second of all, 7 drives seems rather arbitrary, and cherry picked. And third of all, merely top 10 is not a very good position for any best of discussion.
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