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EJB · « **Reply #5380 on:** April 27, 2021, 11:14:23 PM »

You’re right. It should be only playoffs that count.

CountValentine · « **Reply #5381 on:** April 27, 2021, 11:15:14 PM »

Quote from: skyguy918 on April 27, 2021, 11:05:16 PM

This is such a dumb argument. Lebron has played more total minutes (reg+playoff) than anyone in Dr J's list with the exception of Kareem and Malone, who are 1 and 2 all time - and he's sure to pass Malone by end of next year. Would he have lasted as long in a more physical NBA? Of course not. But let's not pretend he's some wilting flower. That's exactly what I just said. It's relevant to MJ vs Kobe because MJ endured orders of magnitude more physical play than Kobe.So you're admitting your comment about Dr J feeling more modern era players were soft doesn't hold water? Otherwise why no Shaq?Funny you should mention that - Dr J's ridiculous list is literally 5 of 6 at the top of that list (Iverson at #4). This is an era thing for the most part. And btw, MJ is basically tied with Lebron on that list, with 3 of Dr J's 2nd team further down.

Look Dr J feels those players were more physical and better players. The only player to stop Wilt is on his list.
This is nothing against Lebron. You don't see me complaining MJ is not on the first team.

CountValentine · « **Reply #5382 on:** April 27, 2021, 11:17:07 PM »

Quote from: EJB on April 27, 2021, 11:14:23 PM

You’re right. It should be only playoffs that count.

Now that you realize your first statement was wrong how about we only count playoff games you won?

skyguy918 · « **Reply #5383 on:** April 27, 2021, 11:19:36 PM »

Quote from: CountValentine on April 27, 2021, 11:15:14 PM

Look Dr J feels those players were more physical and better players. The only player to stop Wilt is on his list.
This is nothing against Lebron. You don't see me complaining MJ is not on the first team.

Again, so where's Shaq. It's nice that you want to give Dr J the benefit of the doubt, but the explanation doesn't hold up and his list is hot garbage for lots of reasons - especially MJ not being on the first team.

CountValentine · « **Reply #5384 on:** April 27, 2021, 11:21:26 PM »

Quote from: skyguy918 on April 27, 2021, 11:19:36 PM

Again, so where's Shaq. It's nice that you want to give Dr J the benefit of the doubt, but the explanation doesn't hold up and his list is hot garbage for lots of reasons - especially MJ not being on the first team.

Shaq is one dimensional player. Not sure why you put him on the first team.

EJB · « **Reply #5385 on:** April 27, 2021, 11:27:32 PM »

Quote from: CountValentine on April 27, 2021, 09:24:03 PM

I have a hundred question but I will start with a simple one. Who is going to stop Wilt from scoring 100?

Lebron would score 200 if he played w wilts competition. Who would stop him?

skyguy918 · « **Reply #5386 on:** April 27, 2021, 11:28:40 PM »

Quote from: CountValentine on April 27, 2021, 11:21:26 PM

Shaq is one dimensional player. Not sure why you put him on the first team.

First of all, I didn't say anything about first team. He left him off completely. You can't tell me Shaq isn't even top 10. Of course the same could be said for Lebron.

And btw, if we're talking toughness based on era, he has the teams reversed. the 80's and 90's were tougher than the 60s and 70s for sure.

CountValentine · « **Reply #5387 on:** April 27, 2021, 11:29:37 PM »

Quote from: EJB on April 27, 2021, 11:27:32 PM

Lebron would score 200 if he played w wilts competition. Who would stop him?

Young grasshopper has a lot to learn. He would be carried out on a stretcher.

skyguy918 · « **Reply #5388 on:** April 27, 2021, 11:34:13 PM »

I just want to add that there's a strong argument to be made the the game is overall more physically demanding now than it ever has been due to better training and the way the game is coached (especially on defense). The more clear and obvious distinction has to do with how rule changes affected physicality - what you could get away with without a foul - and changed the scoring rate overall across different eras. His whole first team retired before the introduction of the 3 point line.

EJB · « **Reply #5389 on:** April 27, 2021, 11:34:33 PM »

Quote from: CountValentine on April 27, 2021, 11:29:37 PM

Young grasshopper has a lot to learn. He would be carried out on a stretcher.

Not even sure wilt would start in today’s nba. Too much of a liability on defense. Would tire out in 15 minutes.

CountValentine · « **Reply #5390 on:** April 27, 2021, 11:36:39 PM »

Quote from: EJB on April 27, 2021, 11:27:32 PM

Lebron would score 200 if he played w wilts competition. Who would stop him?

Wilts competition as in what many feel GOAT defensive player Bill Russel?
Glad you are back as I never laughed so hard.

EJB · « **Reply #5391 on:** April 27, 2021, 11:41:24 PM »

Quote from: CountValentine on April 27, 2021, 11:36:39 PM

Wilts competition as in what many feel GOAT defensive player Bill Russel?
Glad you are back as I never laughed so hard.

Not sure he’d start either in today’s nba.

CountValentine · « **Reply #5392 on:** April 27, 2021, 11:42:11 PM »

Quote from: skyguy918 on April 27, 2021, 11:34:13 PM

I just want to add that there's a strong argument to be made the the game is overall more physically demanding now than it ever has been due to better training and the way the game is coached (especially on defense).

Real demanding shooting all those 3's.