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Choosing a camera: Point and Shoot vs. Mirrorless vs. DSLR


Before you even start thinking which camera model to buy, you have to decide something much more important: the type of camera. There are three main types of cameras on the market today, and they each offer some things the others don't. Let's take a quick at them and see what the differences are and why you might choose one over the other.


Point & Shoots (P&S): These are by far the most popular cameras out there. Usually extremely compact, they're all easy to use, relatively cheap, and deliver great images. The point & shoot ranges from tiny shirt-pocket cameras such as the Canon Elph series, to large superzooms (sometimes called all-in-ones or bridge cameras) such as the Panasonic FZ series, to 'advanced' P&Ss like the Canon G series or the $2800(!) Sony RX-1. All P&Ss have fixed (non-removable) lenses.


Point & Shoot pros:
--- Amazing selection: At the time of this writing, B&H has 328 cameras in stock listed under Point & Shoot. A basic Canon Elph-style camera usually has a 3-8x zoom lens, a 3" screen, 1080p video, image stabilization, and a million other features. Should you could choose a superzoom, you'd get a 24-50x zoom, manual controls, a viewfinder, and (usually) a hotshoe for flashes. Advanced P&Ss will give you even more control, better, larger sensors, and higher quality lenses. Want a camera your baby could drop into a bowl of cereal? There are currently 18 different shock and waterproof cameras [url=http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?ipp=100&Ns=p_PRODUCT_SHORT_DESCR|0&ci=8612&N=4288586279+35+4052359761&srtclk=sort]available
. Want a screen that swivels? Built-in GPS? WiFi? Check, check, and check. One screen not enough, you want two of 'em? Check!
--- Cheap: Even a $100 P&S will give you better pictures than a $500 camera from 5 years ago. You do not need to spend a fortune to get amazing pictures.
--- Light and easy to carry: No excuses for not shlepping the camera. If fits into your shirt pocket, a purse, just about anywhere.
--- Great video: Most current cameras are capable of recording 1080p HD video, or at least 720p. Combined with ubiquitous image stabilization P&Ss are capable of outputting awesome video.
--- Easy to use: Most P&S will only have an Auto or P mode, although some advanced or superzoom models will have full manual control. In Auto mode all you have to do is press the button. Some cameras even have an 'intelligent' auto feature where it could detect if you're shooting a flower, a portrait, etc. and adjust itself accordingly. This actually works pretty well on most cameras. In P mode you get a bit more control (you could turn the flash off, adjust the picture brighter or darker, etc.), but the camera still handles most of the decisions making for you.


Point & Shoot Cons:
--- Image quality relative to mirrorless and DSLRs: Yes, P&Ss will give you great picture quality - when situations are ideal. But if you plan to be shooting a lot in darker situations (indoors, your kids' school play) you will notice a considerable difference in quality compared to the other two. Sharpness will also not be as good as the others - the combination of a small physical lens, a small sensor, and over-zealous noise reduction (more on all of these later) is not a recipe for razor-sharp photos. These factors will be much less of an issue with advanced cameras such as the Canon G15, although a mirrorless or DSLR will still be far better.
--- Hard or impossible to achieve certain effects: You know that portrait look where the entire background is just blurred into creamy nothingness? That's one of the hardest things to create with a P&S (and conversely one of the easiest things to do with an SLR/mirrorless). Later on I'll show you some techniques to force this effect out of a P&S (to a degree), but the physics are simply not in your favor.
--- Speed: Compared to a DSLR, the P&S is practically a turtle. It takes a few seconds to turn on, zooming takes time, every setting change takes time. Most importantly though, is the speed at which the camera takes the picture. While a DSLR focuses almost instantly, a P&S could take a second or two. Once the image is in focus, there is a maddening delay called shutter lag, which is the time between you pressing the shutter button and the camera actually taking the picture. Between focusing and shutter lag, it could sometimes take 3 or more seconds to get your shoot, at which point the moment may be long gone. Later on we'll discuss some techniques for speeding this process up, but it'll still take far longer than a DSLR.
--- Not much control: The flip side to the P&S's ease of use it its lack of control. Want to lower your flash power so that people don't have that 'deer in headlights' look? Tough noogies. Want to change your aperture? Your shutter speed? Ain't happenin'. Of course some cameras do let you change all that, but a) they're in the minority by far, and b) since these are secondary features, you'll probably have to dig through 6 menu pages every time you want to make a change.
--- Limited expandability: A P&S is a closed system. Want a longer or wider lens? Want to use filters? No dice on most cameras. This is also a big issue if you ever want to dabble in lighting - it'll be quite difficult with a P&S.
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DSLRs: The big, black, "professional" looking cameras. Big, heavy, and (relatively) expensive, these have interchangeable lenses and optical viewfinders. The big players are Canon and Nikon, with Sony and Pentax having a small but dedicated market share. A typical 'starter' DSLR will have a 18 (Canon) or 24 (Nikon) megapixel sensor, come with an 18-55mm lens, and have actual buttons for only the most important tasks. As you move up through the lineup, you'll get more direct buttons and knobs, status LCDs, better focusing/metering systems, more lens support, metal or magnesium bodies, weather sealing, wireless flash control, higher frame-per-second rates, and more. You also get better kit lenses (that's the lens that comes with the camera) as you move up, and at a certain level (usually the third camera in the lineup) you'll also be able to buy the camera body by itself without any lens.


DSLR pros:
--- Image quality: This is the number one benefit of the DSLR - even the cheapest camera and lens combination will give you better pictures that any point and shoot, even if the P&S costs much more. (B&H currently lists 3 DSLR kits (camera and lens) for $450 - that's cheaper than some P&Ss.) Looking at pictures of a P&S and a DSLR side by side, you'll be blown away by the difference in sharpness, color, and dynamic range (explained later) of the DSLR. When it comes to low light, there's no contest; the DSLR wins hand down.
--- Control: In a DLSR you have control over every single shooting parameter. There are no limits to what you could create; everything's at your beck and call. Flash power, exposure, color, and most importantly, RAW shooting. (I'll get into far more detail on that last thing later.)
--- Special effects: Out of focus backgrounds? Easy peasy. Long exposures? Timelapse? You bet.
--- System expandability: DSLRs are sometimes called 'system cameras'. This is due to the fact that unlike P&Ss, a DSLR is not just a camera; it's at the heart of an entire system. Each brand has dozens of lenses available, plus many more from third-party lens manufacturers. You could get flashes, transmitters, remotes, and many other goodies and they will all work seamlessly and communicate properly to one another. BTW, this is why you should choose your first SLR very carefully: you're probably buying into a system. First you get a camera and lens, then another lens, then maybe another lens or a flash, and then the a new camera comes out so you buy that. It's quite the pain to switch to a different brand once you're bought in to the system.
--- Viewfinder: By definition, a DSLR is a single lens reflex camera; what that means is that inside the camera just behind the lens mount there's a mirror, which projects the image from the lens into a prism, which in turn shows up in the viewfinder. The big advantage of this is that when you look through the viewfinder you're actually looking through lens, and as such are seeing exactly what the lens sees. This gives you an extremely accurate and life-like view, which makes it easy to compose your shots properly. A viewfinder also lets you use the camera in bright light without worrying about not being able to see the screen.
--- Speed: A DSLR is ready to shoot almost instantly after being turned on. No matter where you are, be it a menu or playing back you pictures, a slight tap of the shutter button and the camera is instantly ready to shoot. Focus is nearly instantaneous, and shutter lag is pretty much a non-issue. Another speed aspect is continuous shooting - holding down the shutter button while the camera rattles off picture after picture. An entry-level camera  could easily do around 4.5fps (frames per second), while higher level cameras could do 7 or 8 (or 12, if you count the $6800 Canon 1D X).


DSLR cons:
--- Size and weight: There's no getting around it: DSLRs are big and bulky, especially if you're carrying more than one lens.
--- Price: DSLRs start at about $450, and go way up. One of the most common cameras, the Canon T4i, will set you back about a grand. And then you want to buy another lens. And another one. And another one... :D
--- Video: DSLR video is a really weird situation. On the one hand the quality is INSANE. Just look on Vimeo and see what people have been doing with the Canon 5DMk2 and Mk3 and you'll see what I mean. On the other hand, if you look at the behind the scenes video of one of those, you'll see that the camera is mounted on a rig costing $10K or more. The rig stabilizes the camera and provides support for the focus controls, the zoom controls, the sound system, and many other things. Why is all this necessary? Very simple - because the camera does a horrible job at all this if left to it's own devices. Focusing during video is horrible, especially if anything's moving through the scene. What this means is that if you're buying an SLR and are planning on taking videos of your kids running around in the park, you will be sorely disappointed - nothing will be in focus half the time, and when the camera finally does achieve focus, the built-in mike will have picked up every grind and whirr of the lens as it moved back and forth. Canon has made some progress on eliminating these issues with their new STM lenses, but for now that's only two cameras and two lenses, and even that isn't perfect.


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Mirrorless: Known by many different names (ILCs and EVILs for example), the industry has seemed to settle on Mirrorless lately. This was the brainchild of a joint venture between Olympus and Panasonic, and was aimed on creating an interchangeable-lens camera in with a P&S body and DSLR-like image quality, and has been wildly successful. Olympus and Panasonic are still the major players with their Micro 4/3s system, followed by Sony with their NEX line. Many others have tried to take over market share from the big 3, but have been largely unsuccessful mainly due to inferior products. Nikon 1, Canon, M, and Samsung NX are examples of fairly unpopular systems.


Most mirrorless cameras have a P&S form-factor, albeit somewhat larger. With the exception of Olympus and Panasonic, the lenses are not interchangeable between brands, but adapters are available to convert practically any DSLR (or old rangefinder camera) lens to just about every system. Most adapters will not autofocus the lens, so it's not exactly a perfect solution.


Mirrorless pros:
--- Size and weight: This is the main draw for most people. While not exactly pocket sized once a lens is in place, it it still a fairly compact kit and could be carried in a purse with ease. It's more like a large P&S than a small DSLR.
--- Price: Generally cheaper than a DSLR of a similar level. The Panasonics and Olympus (Olympusus? Olympi? ??? ) especially seem to be on sale more often than not.
--- Image quality: About as good as an SLR, simple as that.
--- Expandability: Like DSLRs, these cameras are part of a system. In the last couple of months more and more third parties have started to make lenses too. Micro 4/3s is a much more robust system then Sony NEX though, with many more lenses available.
--- Video: Video on mirrorless cameras is insanely fantastic. Similar in quality to an SLR, but with the ease of use of a P&S. It focuses quickly, perfectly, and fairly quietly.


Mirrorless cons:
--- Lenses: Far smaller selection than SLRs, although to be fair most important lenses are covered.
--- Image quality: A DSLR will still have slightly better image quality, especially in low light scenarios.
--- Viewfinders: Most don’t have viewfinders at all, which make it harder to use in low light. Some of those have axillary finders you could out in the hotshoe (usually at exorbitant prices or some reason), but these are just to give you a general idea of what the camera is seeing.
--- Batteries: Uses batteries like a P&S (200-400 shots), while a DSLR usually gets around 2000 shots per battery.
--- Speed: Focusing, while worlds better than P&Ss, isn't quite up to DSLR standards yet, but that's getting better every day.
--- Control: While mirrorless camera offer the same level of control as DSLRs, very often you'll have to dig through menus to get to where you want to. The main point of mirrorless being cutting down on size, buttons and knobs were eliminated without mercy.


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Lesson Summary:
--- Point & Shoots are great for most everyday shooting. Cheap, more options than you could ever want, great image quality and video. Quite difficult (but definitely possible - I'll show you how) to get the 'pro' look.
--- DSLR are king when it comes to image quality, control, and expandability. For the best pictures in any situation, go for a DSLR. Video, not so much.
--- Mirrorless cameras are the best of both worlds, with some caveats. Amazing image quality, the best video, and fairly small and portable. Less control and versatility than an SLR, though.

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For the full lesson series visit the Learn Photography Master Thread.

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Learn Photography Master Thread: Lesson 2: Camera specs - What do they mean, and which ones matter to me?

Canon's DSLR naming scheme
Nikon's DSLR naming scheme
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Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
« Reply #1720 on: May 11, 2020, 03:41:33 PM »
Would I need image stabilization? Sigma doesn't have, does it?
If you want good image quality, at wide apertures, at a low price, you'll probably need to sacrifice Stabilization and AF performance to some extent.

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Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
« Reply #1721 on: May 11, 2020, 04:00:48 PM »
If you want good image quality, at wide apertures, at a low price, you'll probably need to sacrifice Stabilization and AF performance to some extent.
So, I shouldn't worry about it? Is stabilization mainly for video?

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Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
« Reply #1722 on: May 11, 2020, 07:00:50 PM »
What is the best Camera for around $300?

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Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
« Reply #1723 on: May 14, 2020, 01:42:49 PM »
Hi, I currently have a point-and-shoot camera, I’m looking to buy a more professional one, I don’t think I would go straight to full frame, I’m looking on APC sensor cameras, i’m currently looking at the M6 mark to, And I’m not sure if it’s worth the difference in price to the M 50 that I can have for half price, and also if I’m already paying the price for the M6 mark two if it’s not worth to pay $200 more and get the RP with a full frame sensor.

I would like to be able to get photos with somewhat  good bokeh, and I would like to hear if it’s possible with a APC sensor with the kit lens that is a 3.5 aperture, any input is appreciated

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Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
« Reply #1724 on: May 15, 2020, 01:47:01 AM »
What is the best Camera for around $300?
I would say Canon SX720

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Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
« Reply #1725 on: May 19, 2020, 09:00:39 AM »
So, I shouldn't worry about it? Is stabilization mainly for video?
Stabilization in photos is generally for low light where you cannot keep your shutter speed high enough.

Portraits in general are much better in well lit places / with flash and faster shutter speeds, as stabilization won't help if your subject moved a few millemeters.

Since the 2 don't really mix, and you want to get a affordable option, I suggest getting the lens that will deliver the best portrait shots for it's price, even if it's slightly less versatile. That would probably be a fast prime with a longer focal length (this may make it harder to work indoors, be aware).

You may be able to save a fair percentage buying used, and primes usually don't lose their value or break down.

If you are worried, get a tripod.


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Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
« Reply #1726 on: May 19, 2020, 09:08:48 AM »
Stabilization in photos is generally for low light where you cannot keep your shutter speed high enough.

Portraits in general are much better in well lit places / with flash and faster shutter speeds, as stabilization won't help if your subject moved a few millemeters.

Since the 2 don't really mix, and you want to get a affordable option, I suggest getting the lens that will deliver the best portrait shots for it's price, even if it's slightly less versatile. That would probably be a fast prime with a longer focal length (this may make it harder to work indoors, be aware).

You may be able to save a fair percentage buying used, and primes usually don't lose their value or break down.

If you are worried, get a tripod.
Thanks, very helpful

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Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
« Reply #1727 on: July 02, 2020, 10:44:44 PM »
Amateur photographer, just got Sony a6000 with kit lens. Any recommendations for a good portrait lens? Willing to spend $2-300 but possibly more if it's really worth the money

Sorry if I'm a bit late here but I think for portraits you're probably better off with a 50mm vs a 30mm

There's the Sony 50mm F1.8

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1001008-REG/sony_sel50f18_b_50mm_f_1_8_lens_black.html


& the Sigma 55mm f1.4

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1001008-REG/sony_sel50f18_b_50mm_f_1_8_lens_black.html

Not sure if theyre slightly outside your price range though. Can get them used for cheaper




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Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
« Reply #1728 on: July 02, 2020, 11:11:54 PM »
Sorry if I'm a bit late here but I think for portraits you're probably better off with a 50mm vs a 30mm

There's the Sony 50mm F1.8

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1001008-REG/sony_sel50f18_b_50mm_f_1_8_lens_black.html


& the Sigma 55mm f1.4

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1001008-REG/sony_sel50f18_b_50mm_f_1_8_lens_black.html

Not sure if theyre slightly outside your price range though. Can get them used for cheaper
Thanks for the response. I actually bought the sigma 30, and I'm kind of glad I did, because indoors is a little tight as it is. Pictures are very sharp, and nice bokeh. I haven't compared to the other one, though, so who knows. (Btw both links are to the Sony)

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Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
« Reply #1729 on: July 05, 2020, 10:19:17 AM »
Sorry this is the sigma:

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1436295-REG/sigma_56mm_f_1_4_dc_dn_f_sony.html

Yeah an entire family is different than a single portrait. It's a balance of ensuring everyone is in the shot and optimal focal length. 30mm on the crop sensor puts it in the range of portrait focal lengths though if you try to get too close there were prob be a little bit of facial distortion

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Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
« Reply #1730 on: July 12, 2020, 02:37:21 PM »
@Something Fishy what do you think of this a7iik to replace my t3i? Warehouse deals had it for $800.

The other option is the a6000 which they got for $500 in warehouse deals.

Which is a better choice for pictures of kids, birds on the feeder and minimal travel memories?
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Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
« Reply #1731 on: July 13, 2020, 12:14:23 AM »
@Something Fishy what do you think of this a7iik to replace my t3i? Warehouse deals had it for $800.

The other option is the a6000 which they got for $500 in warehouse deals.

Which is a better choice for pictures of kids, birds on the feeder and minimal travel memories?
Are you asking which one is the better camera?
Well of course the a7ii, (Not sure how that k comes into picture...) it is in a complete different category than the a6000. it's a full frame camera.

I'd say, if not shooting in low light situations an amateur photographer won't see that much of an improvement with the full frame, and would be better off investing in better quality lenses.

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Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
« Reply #1732 on: July 13, 2020, 09:37:58 AM »
Are you asking which one is the better camera?
Well of course the a7ii, (Not sure how that k comes into picture...) it is in a complete different category than the a6000. it's a full frame camera.

I'd say, if not shooting in low light situations an amateur photographer won't see that much of an improvement with the full frame, and would be better off investing in better quality lenses.
Thanks. What lens would you recommend?

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Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
« Reply #1733 on: July 13, 2020, 11:58:26 AM »
Thanks. What lens would you recommend?
For portraits, 50mm 1.8 would be a solid beginners lens.
For wildlife you would most likely need a telephoto lens, a good quality one will cost you a pretty penny.

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Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
« Reply #1734 on: July 13, 2020, 02:44:26 PM »
For portraits, 50mm 1.8 would be a solid beginners lens.
For wildlife you would most likely need a telephoto lens, a good quality one will cost you a pretty penny.

Now there's this though for telephoto which is a bargain compared to the rest of the options:

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1568623-REG/sigma_100_400mm_f_5_6_3_dg_dn.html/?ap=y&ap=y&smp=y&smp=y&lsft=BI%3A514&gclid=CjwKCAjwjLD4BRAiEiwAg5NBFiVrQ2ZoZOdWM4JtecfeipBnW-qoEMROJI0Yuz4vpc_UeoHOOo9GnxoComYQAvD_BwE

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Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
« Reply #1735 on: July 13, 2020, 03:10:02 PM »
Is the kit telephoto lens so bad?

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Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
« Reply #1736 on: July 13, 2020, 03:15:24 PM »
He meant super telephoto. The kit lens only goes up to 210 which for wildlife is generally too short.

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Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
« Reply #1737 on: July 13, 2020, 03:23:00 PM »
That dose not have a bright aperture, and is not constant.

Most people aren't in the market for a lens that cost as much as a post lease Camry.

Having a variable aperture that doesn't start super low doesn't mean it's not fairly adequate for shooting wildlife. Unless you're working for Nat Geo...

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Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
« Reply #1738 on: July 13, 2020, 03:29:49 PM »
Most people aren't in the market for a lens that cost as much as a post lease Camry.

Having a variable aperture that doesn't start super low doesn't mean it's not fairly adequate for shooting wildlife. Unless you're working for Nat Geo...
True.

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Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
« Reply #1739 on: July 13, 2020, 03:35:03 PM »
Is the kit telephoto lens so bad?
They are really not sharp IMO

You can still get awesome shots that will rival any cell phone or P&S.
But if you are looking to upgrade, your money will be better spent upgrading your lens than your camera in terms of image quality IMO