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Choosing a camera: Point and Shoot vs. Mirrorless vs. DSLR


Before you even start thinking which camera model to buy, you have to decide something much more important: the type of camera. There are three main types of cameras on the market today, and they each offer some things the others don't. Let's take a quick at them and see what the differences are and why you might choose one over the other.


Point & Shoots (P&S): These are by far the most popular cameras out there. Usually extremely compact, they're all easy to use, relatively cheap, and deliver great images. The point & shoot ranges from tiny shirt-pocket cameras such as the Canon Elph series, to large superzooms (sometimes called all-in-ones or bridge cameras) such as the Panasonic FZ series, to 'advanced' P&Ss like the Canon G series or the $2800(!) Sony RX-1. All P&Ss have fixed (non-removable) lenses.


Point & Shoot pros:
--- Amazing selection: At the time of this writing, B&H has 328 cameras in stock listed under Point & Shoot. A basic Canon Elph-style camera usually has a 3-8x zoom lens, a 3" screen, 1080p video, image stabilization, and a million other features. Should you could choose a superzoom, you'd get a 24-50x zoom, manual controls, a viewfinder, and (usually) a hotshoe for flashes. Advanced P&Ss will give you even more control, better, larger sensors, and higher quality lenses. Want a camera your baby could drop into a bowl of cereal? There are currently 18 different shock and waterproof cameras [url=http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?ipp=100&Ns=p_PRODUCT_SHORT_DESCR|0&ci=8612&N=4288586279+35+4052359761&srtclk=sort]available
. Want a screen that swivels? Built-in GPS? WiFi? Check, check, and check. One screen not enough, you want two of 'em? Check!
--- Cheap: Even a $100 P&S will give you better pictures than a $500 camera from 5 years ago. You do not need to spend a fortune to get amazing pictures.
--- Light and easy to carry: No excuses for not shlepping the camera. If fits into your shirt pocket, a purse, just about anywhere.
--- Great video: Most current cameras are capable of recording 1080p HD video, or at least 720p. Combined with ubiquitous image stabilization P&Ss are capable of outputting awesome video.
--- Easy to use: Most P&S will only have an Auto or P mode, although some advanced or superzoom models will have full manual control. In Auto mode all you have to do is press the button. Some cameras even have an 'intelligent' auto feature where it could detect if you're shooting a flower, a portrait, etc. and adjust itself accordingly. This actually works pretty well on most cameras. In P mode you get a bit more control (you could turn the flash off, adjust the picture brighter or darker, etc.), but the camera still handles most of the decisions making for you.


Point & Shoot Cons:
--- Image quality relative to mirrorless and DSLRs: Yes, P&Ss will give you great picture quality - when situations are ideal. But if you plan to be shooting a lot in darker situations (indoors, your kids' school play) you will notice a considerable difference in quality compared to the other two. Sharpness will also not be as good as the others - the combination of a small physical lens, a small sensor, and over-zealous noise reduction (more on all of these later) is not a recipe for razor-sharp photos. These factors will be much less of an issue with advanced cameras such as the Canon G15, although a mirrorless or DSLR will still be far better.
--- Hard or impossible to achieve certain effects: You know that portrait look where the entire background is just blurred into creamy nothingness? That's one of the hardest things to create with a P&S (and conversely one of the easiest things to do with an SLR/mirrorless). Later on I'll show you some techniques to force this effect out of a P&S (to a degree), but the physics are simply not in your favor.
--- Speed: Compared to a DSLR, the P&S is practically a turtle. It takes a few seconds to turn on, zooming takes time, every setting change takes time. Most importantly though, is the speed at which the camera takes the picture. While a DSLR focuses almost instantly, a P&S could take a second or two. Once the image is in focus, there is a maddening delay called shutter lag, which is the time between you pressing the shutter button and the camera actually taking the picture. Between focusing and shutter lag, it could sometimes take 3 or more seconds to get your shoot, at which point the moment may be long gone. Later on we'll discuss some techniques for speeding this process up, but it'll still take far longer than a DSLR.
--- Not much control: The flip side to the P&S's ease of use it its lack of control. Want to lower your flash power so that people don't have that 'deer in headlights' look? Tough noogies. Want to change your aperture? Your shutter speed? Ain't happenin'. Of course some cameras do let you change all that, but a) they're in the minority by far, and b) since these are secondary features, you'll probably have to dig through 6 menu pages every time you want to make a change.
--- Limited expandability: A P&S is a closed system. Want a longer or wider lens? Want to use filters? No dice on most cameras. This is also a big issue if you ever want to dabble in lighting - it'll be quite difficult with a P&S.
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DSLRs: The big, black, "professional" looking cameras. Big, heavy, and (relatively) expensive, these have interchangeable lenses and optical viewfinders. The big players are Canon and Nikon, with Sony and Pentax having a small but dedicated market share. A typical 'starter' DSLR will have a 18 (Canon) or 24 (Nikon) megapixel sensor, come with an 18-55mm lens, and have actual buttons for only the most important tasks. As you move up through the lineup, you'll get more direct buttons and knobs, status LCDs, better focusing/metering systems, more lens support, metal or magnesium bodies, weather sealing, wireless flash control, higher frame-per-second rates, and more. You also get better kit lenses (that's the lens that comes with the camera) as you move up, and at a certain level (usually the third camera in the lineup) you'll also be able to buy the camera body by itself without any lens.


DSLR pros:
--- Image quality: This is the number one benefit of the DSLR - even the cheapest camera and lens combination will give you better pictures that any point and shoot, even if the P&S costs much more. (B&H currently lists 3 DSLR kits (camera and lens) for $450 - that's cheaper than some P&Ss.) Looking at pictures of a P&S and a DSLR side by side, you'll be blown away by the difference in sharpness, color, and dynamic range (explained later) of the DSLR. When it comes to low light, there's no contest; the DSLR wins hand down.
--- Control: In a DLSR you have control over every single shooting parameter. There are no limits to what you could create; everything's at your beck and call. Flash power, exposure, color, and most importantly, RAW shooting. (I'll get into far more detail on that last thing later.)
--- Special effects: Out of focus backgrounds? Easy peasy. Long exposures? Timelapse? You bet.
--- System expandability: DSLRs are sometimes called 'system cameras'. This is due to the fact that unlike P&Ss, a DSLR is not just a camera; it's at the heart of an entire system. Each brand has dozens of lenses available, plus many more from third-party lens manufacturers. You could get flashes, transmitters, remotes, and many other goodies and they will all work seamlessly and communicate properly to one another. BTW, this is why you should choose your first SLR very carefully: you're probably buying into a system. First you get a camera and lens, then another lens, then maybe another lens or a flash, and then the a new camera comes out so you buy that. It's quite the pain to switch to a different brand once you're bought in to the system.
--- Viewfinder: By definition, a DSLR is a single lens reflex camera; what that means is that inside the camera just behind the lens mount there's a mirror, which projects the image from the lens into a prism, which in turn shows up in the viewfinder. The big advantage of this is that when you look through the viewfinder you're actually looking through lens, and as such are seeing exactly what the lens sees. This gives you an extremely accurate and life-like view, which makes it easy to compose your shots properly. A viewfinder also lets you use the camera in bright light without worrying about not being able to see the screen.
--- Speed: A DSLR is ready to shoot almost instantly after being turned on. No matter where you are, be it a menu or playing back you pictures, a slight tap of the shutter button and the camera is instantly ready to shoot. Focus is nearly instantaneous, and shutter lag is pretty much a non-issue. Another speed aspect is continuous shooting - holding down the shutter button while the camera rattles off picture after picture. An entry-level camera  could easily do around 4.5fps (frames per second), while higher level cameras could do 7 or 8 (or 12, if you count the $6800 Canon 1D X).


DSLR cons:
--- Size and weight: There's no getting around it: DSLRs are big and bulky, especially if you're carrying more than one lens.
--- Price: DSLRs start at about $450, and go way up. One of the most common cameras, the Canon T4i, will set you back about a grand. And then you want to buy another lens. And another one. And another one... :D
--- Video: DSLR video is a really weird situation. On the one hand the quality is INSANE. Just look on Vimeo and see what people have been doing with the Canon 5DMk2 and Mk3 and you'll see what I mean. On the other hand, if you look at the behind the scenes video of one of those, you'll see that the camera is mounted on a rig costing $10K or more. The rig stabilizes the camera and provides support for the focus controls, the zoom controls, the sound system, and many other things. Why is all this necessary? Very simple - because the camera does a horrible job at all this if left to it's own devices. Focusing during video is horrible, especially if anything's moving through the scene. What this means is that if you're buying an SLR and are planning on taking videos of your kids running around in the park, you will be sorely disappointed - nothing will be in focus half the time, and when the camera finally does achieve focus, the built-in mike will have picked up every grind and whirr of the lens as it moved back and forth. Canon has made some progress on eliminating these issues with their new STM lenses, but for now that's only two cameras and two lenses, and even that isn't perfect.


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Mirrorless: Known by many different names (ILCs and EVILs for example), the industry has seemed to settle on Mirrorless lately. This was the brainchild of a joint venture between Olympus and Panasonic, and was aimed on creating an interchangeable-lens camera in with a P&S body and DSLR-like image quality, and has been wildly successful. Olympus and Panasonic are still the major players with their Micro 4/3s system, followed by Sony with their NEX line. Many others have tried to take over market share from the big 3, but have been largely unsuccessful mainly due to inferior products. Nikon 1, Canon, M, and Samsung NX are examples of fairly unpopular systems.


Most mirrorless cameras have a P&S form-factor, albeit somewhat larger. With the exception of Olympus and Panasonic, the lenses are not interchangeable between brands, but adapters are available to convert practically any DSLR (or old rangefinder camera) lens to just about every system. Most adapters will not autofocus the lens, so it's not exactly a perfect solution.


Mirrorless pros:
--- Size and weight: This is the main draw for most people. While not exactly pocket sized once a lens is in place, it it still a fairly compact kit and could be carried in a purse with ease. It's more like a large P&S than a small DSLR.
--- Price: Generally cheaper than a DSLR of a similar level. The Panasonics and Olympus (Olympusus? Olympi? ??? ) especially seem to be on sale more often than not.
--- Image quality: About as good as an SLR, simple as that.
--- Expandability: Like DSLRs, these cameras are part of a system. In the last couple of months more and more third parties have started to make lenses too. Micro 4/3s is a much more robust system then Sony NEX though, with many more lenses available.
--- Video: Video on mirrorless cameras is insanely fantastic. Similar in quality to an SLR, but with the ease of use of a P&S. It focuses quickly, perfectly, and fairly quietly.


Mirrorless cons:
--- Lenses: Far smaller selection than SLRs, although to be fair most important lenses are covered.
--- Image quality: A DSLR will still have slightly better image quality, especially in low light scenarios.
--- Viewfinders: Most don’t have viewfinders at all, which make it harder to use in low light. Some of those have axillary finders you could out in the hotshoe (usually at exorbitant prices or some reason), but these are just to give you a general idea of what the camera is seeing.
--- Batteries: Uses batteries like a P&S (200-400 shots), while a DSLR usually gets around 2000 shots per battery.
--- Speed: Focusing, while worlds better than P&Ss, isn't quite up to DSLR standards yet, but that's getting better every day.
--- Control: While mirrorless camera offer the same level of control as DSLRs, very often you'll have to dig through menus to get to where you want to. The main point of mirrorless being cutting down on size, buttons and knobs were eliminated without mercy.


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Lesson Summary:
--- Point & Shoots are great for most everyday shooting. Cheap, more options than you could ever want, great image quality and video. Quite difficult (but definitely possible - I'll show you how) to get the 'pro' look.
--- DSLR are king when it comes to image quality, control, and expandability. For the best pictures in any situation, go for a DSLR. Video, not so much.
--- Mirrorless cameras are the best of both worlds, with some caveats. Amazing image quality, the best video, and fairly small and portable. Less control and versatility than an SLR, though.

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For the full lesson series visit the Learn Photography Master Thread.

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Learn Photography Master Thread: Lesson 2: Camera specs - What do they mean, and which ones matter to me?

Canon's DSLR naming scheme
Nikon's DSLR naming scheme
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Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
« Reply #100 on: December 05, 2013, 12:39:31 AM »
Fishy, have you weighed in at all on this current T3i deal?

I plan on buying either an SLR or mirrorless within the next month or 2, Is this a good enough deal that I should just jump at it, or should I wait around and figure out what camera I really want?
This is pretty much my budget, up to $500. Is this the most camera I'll get for $500?

(IIRC you're a Nikon guy, I'm not sure if or how that affects your answer here...)

No Canon is ever worth getting, so this is a horrible deal.
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Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
« Reply #101 on: December 05, 2013, 12:40:05 AM »
In all seriousness though, this is a pretty good deal. The long lens is fairly mediocre, and the camera is 3 years old, but it's still an enormous value for your money.

Think about if you need the long lens though - if you don't you may be better off with a mirrorless and kit lens. Or save some money toward a better lens.

 In general, what would make you choose DSLR over ML or vice versa?
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Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
« Reply #102 on: December 05, 2013, 12:54:44 AM »
The big advantage for me of ML is the portability.

The biggest reason for wanting an SLR is probably psychological, my brain has been wired for so long to want one and it hasn't quite gotten used to the idea of the ML.
The extensibility (sp?) is also a big draw for the SLR. I don't know how much I'll actually take advantage of it, but I like the comfort of knowing that any accessory or lens i might want is out there.
I also definitely want a viewfinder, so I think that pretty much eliminates the lower cost MLs.

I definitely want the long lens. I frequently find myself wishing I had a longer lens, particularly on road trips / vacations...

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Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
« Reply #103 on: December 05, 2013, 01:00:55 AM »
The extensibility (sp?) is also a big draw for the SLR. I don't know how much I'll actually take advantage of it, but I like the comfort of knowing that any accessory or lens i might want is out there.
M4/3 would give you all that.

I also definitely want a viewfinder, so I think that pretty much eliminates the lower cost MLs.
Very true. :(

I definitely want the long lens. I frequently find myself wishing I had a longer lens, particularly on road trips / vacations...
Then this sound's like the perfect kit for you. Viewfinder, long lens, extendibility (my spelling's as good as your's :P), and portability (it's relatively small, as DSLRs go).
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Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
« Reply #104 on: December 05, 2013, 01:12:08 AM »
Then this sound's like the perfect kit for you. Viewfinder, long lens, extendibility (my spelling's as good as your's :P), and portability (it's relatively small, as DSLRs go).
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Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
« Reply #105 on: December 05, 2013, 02:10:57 AM »
I would like to make a request...

Over that last couple of weeks many DDF'ers have PM'd me questions regarding which camera to buy. I very gladly helped everyone, and I'm more than happy to continue. However, I'm starting to see a pattern where most of the questions are very similar - I've been answering the same questions about the same cameras over and over to different people.

Therefore... I would like to ask that if you have a general question about a camera or need a recommendation etc., to please ask it here instead of PMing. This is the "which camera should I get master thread" - it's made for these types of questions. That way many more people could see the discussions and may find the help they need. In fact, you may even get better answers posting here than PMing me, since you won't get only one guy's opinion :D.

I get an email whenever there's a new post on here, so when someone asks something I'll know about it right away and try to answer a best I could.

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Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
« Reply #106 on: December 05, 2013, 10:53:39 AM »
Sounds like common decency. Unfortunately not so common nowadays You should add Dan's signature to yours.

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Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
« Reply #107 on: December 05, 2013, 02:46:36 PM »
Thanks for all your help on the forums

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Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
« Reply #108 on: December 06, 2013, 12:44:56 AM »
Thanks for all your help on the forums
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What do you think of this tripod: http://www.costco.com/.product.802732.html
Your waterfall picture in the exposure lesson convinced me that I need a tripod and I definitely want something compact...

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Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
« Reply #109 on: December 06, 2013, 12:49:46 AM »
What do you think of this tripod: http://www.costco.com/.product.802732.html
Your waterfall picture in the exposure lesson convinced me that I need a tripod and I definitely want something compact...

What camera/lens would you put on it?
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Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
« Reply #110 on: December 06, 2013, 12:53:51 AM »
What camera/lens would you put on it?
T3i with (at least initially) those two lenses from the deal discussed yesterday.

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Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
« Reply #111 on: December 06, 2013, 12:56:46 AM »
those two lenses from the deal discussed yesterday.
Which are the kit 18-55mm and this 75-300mm lenses

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Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
« Reply #112 on: December 06, 2013, 01:09:06 AM »
T3i with (at least initially) those two lenses from the deal discussed yesterday.

From the pictures it looks a bit too flimsy for that (the rated capacity says nothing about real life usage). What specifically worries me is the head, and the plate mechanism.

If you're able to return it easily I say get it and try it out, since if it's solid enough it'll be a great deal. Lift it as high as it could go (legs only, keep the center column down), and take a long exposure (>30 seconds). Examine the picture closely, and check for any blur. If everything's sharp, you're good. Do this test outdoors, since you have to take some wind into account (as you will in a real life shooting condition).

Also mount your camera and give the whole setup a good shaking over a bed. If the camera goes flying, you have a plate mechanism problem :D.
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Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
« Reply #113 on: December 06, 2013, 01:14:45 AM »
If you're able to return it easily I say get it and try it out,
Sounds like a plan, gotta get my money's worth on my costco membership :)

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Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
« Reply #114 on: December 06, 2013, 01:18:51 AM »
ETA: Just checked it on a computer (was on my phone earlier), and the head doesn't look as bad as I thought.

The plate is also a universal Arca-Swiss type, which is a nice feature. Just make sure to constantly check the tightness in the beginning, as some cheap heads will loosen the grip on the plate sometimes.
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Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
« Reply #115 on: December 06, 2013, 01:19:52 AM »
I'm looking to get a camera for a seven year old - main need would be a strong overall camera...
What would be best choice in the $50-$75 range after $25 discount for Amazon-Amex-Twitter of course...
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Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
« Reply #116 on: December 06, 2013, 01:28:06 AM »
I'm looking to get a camera for a seven year old - main need would be a strong overall camera...
What would be best choice in the $50-$75 range after $25 discount for Amazon-Amex-Twitter of course...
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Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
« Reply #118 on: December 06, 2013, 01:44:00 AM »
http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.html/?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=9325&docId=1001881521&linkCode=ur2&plgroup=3&tag=cl03f-20

Problem is that these won't last a week in the hands of a seven-year old (at least not any I know). The lens will be stuck before you know it. This camera would be a far better choice I think - shockproof, waterproof, and pretty good image quality.
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Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
« Reply #119 on: December 06, 2013, 02:03:03 AM »
Problem is that these won't last a week in the hands of a seven-year old (at least not any I know). The lens will be stuck before you know it. This camera would be a far better choice I think - shockproof, waterproof, and pretty good image quality.
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