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Choosing a camera: Point and Shoot vs. Mirrorless vs. DSLR


Before you even start thinking which camera model to buy, you have to decide something much more important: the type of camera. There are three main types of cameras on the market today, and they each offer some things the others don't. Let's take a quick at them and see what the differences are and why you might choose one over the other.


Point & Shoots (P&S): These are by far the most popular cameras out there. Usually extremely compact, they're all easy to use, relatively cheap, and deliver great images. The point & shoot ranges from tiny shirt-pocket cameras such as the Canon Elph series, to large superzooms (sometimes called all-in-ones or bridge cameras) such as the Panasonic FZ series, to 'advanced' P&Ss like the Canon G series or the $2800(!) Sony RX-1. All P&Ss have fixed (non-removable) lenses.


Point & Shoot pros:
--- Amazing selection: At the time of this writing, B&H has 328 cameras in stock listed under Point & Shoot. A basic Canon Elph-style camera usually has a 3-8x zoom lens, a 3" screen, 1080p video, image stabilization, and a million other features. Should you could choose a superzoom, you'd get a 24-50x zoom, manual controls, a viewfinder, and (usually) a hotshoe for flashes. Advanced P&Ss will give you even more control, better, larger sensors, and higher quality lenses. Want a camera your baby could drop into a bowl of cereal? There are currently 18 different shock and waterproof cameras [url=http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?ipp=100&Ns=p_PRODUCT_SHORT_DESCR|0&ci=8612&N=4288586279+35+4052359761&srtclk=sort]available
. Want a screen that swivels? Built-in GPS? WiFi? Check, check, and check. One screen not enough, you want two of 'em? Check!
--- Cheap: Even a $100 P&S will give you better pictures than a $500 camera from 5 years ago. You do not need to spend a fortune to get amazing pictures.
--- Light and easy to carry: No excuses for not shlepping the camera. If fits into your shirt pocket, a purse, just about anywhere.
--- Great video: Most current cameras are capable of recording 1080p HD video, or at least 720p. Combined with ubiquitous image stabilization P&Ss are capable of outputting awesome video.
--- Easy to use: Most P&S will only have an Auto or P mode, although some advanced or superzoom models will have full manual control. In Auto mode all you have to do is press the button. Some cameras even have an 'intelligent' auto feature where it could detect if you're shooting a flower, a portrait, etc. and adjust itself accordingly. This actually works pretty well on most cameras. In P mode you get a bit more control (you could turn the flash off, adjust the picture brighter or darker, etc.), but the camera still handles most of the decisions making for you.


Point & Shoot Cons:
--- Image quality relative to mirrorless and DSLRs: Yes, P&Ss will give you great picture quality - when situations are ideal. But if you plan to be shooting a lot in darker situations (indoors, your kids' school play) you will notice a considerable difference in quality compared to the other two. Sharpness will also not be as good as the others - the combination of a small physical lens, a small sensor, and over-zealous noise reduction (more on all of these later) is not a recipe for razor-sharp photos. These factors will be much less of an issue with advanced cameras such as the Canon G15, although a mirrorless or DSLR will still be far better.
--- Hard or impossible to achieve certain effects: You know that portrait look where the entire background is just blurred into creamy nothingness? That's one of the hardest things to create with a P&S (and conversely one of the easiest things to do with an SLR/mirrorless). Later on I'll show you some techniques to force this effect out of a P&S (to a degree), but the physics are simply not in your favor.
--- Speed: Compared to a DSLR, the P&S is practically a turtle. It takes a few seconds to turn on, zooming takes time, every setting change takes time. Most importantly though, is the speed at which the camera takes the picture. While a DSLR focuses almost instantly, a P&S could take a second or two. Once the image is in focus, there is a maddening delay called shutter lag, which is the time between you pressing the shutter button and the camera actually taking the picture. Between focusing and shutter lag, it could sometimes take 3 or more seconds to get your shoot, at which point the moment may be long gone. Later on we'll discuss some techniques for speeding this process up, but it'll still take far longer than a DSLR.
--- Not much control: The flip side to the P&S's ease of use it its lack of control. Want to lower your flash power so that people don't have that 'deer in headlights' look? Tough noogies. Want to change your aperture? Your shutter speed? Ain't happenin'. Of course some cameras do let you change all that, but a) they're in the minority by far, and b) since these are secondary features, you'll probably have to dig through 6 menu pages every time you want to make a change.
--- Limited expandability: A P&S is a closed system. Want a longer or wider lens? Want to use filters? No dice on most cameras. This is also a big issue if you ever want to dabble in lighting - it'll be quite difficult with a P&S.
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DSLRs: The big, black, "professional" looking cameras. Big, heavy, and (relatively) expensive, these have interchangeable lenses and optical viewfinders. The big players are Canon and Nikon, with Sony and Pentax having a small but dedicated market share. A typical 'starter' DSLR will have a 18 (Canon) or 24 (Nikon) megapixel sensor, come with an 18-55mm lens, and have actual buttons for only the most important tasks. As you move up through the lineup, you'll get more direct buttons and knobs, status LCDs, better focusing/metering systems, more lens support, metal or magnesium bodies, weather sealing, wireless flash control, higher frame-per-second rates, and more. You also get better kit lenses (that's the lens that comes with the camera) as you move up, and at a certain level (usually the third camera in the lineup) you'll also be able to buy the camera body by itself without any lens.


DSLR pros:
--- Image quality: This is the number one benefit of the DSLR - even the cheapest camera and lens combination will give you better pictures that any point and shoot, even if the P&S costs much more. (B&H currently lists 3 DSLR kits (camera and lens) for $450 - that's cheaper than some P&Ss.) Looking at pictures of a P&S and a DSLR side by side, you'll be blown away by the difference in sharpness, color, and dynamic range (explained later) of the DSLR. When it comes to low light, there's no contest; the DSLR wins hand down.
--- Control: In a DLSR you have control over every single shooting parameter. There are no limits to what you could create; everything's at your beck and call. Flash power, exposure, color, and most importantly, RAW shooting. (I'll get into far more detail on that last thing later.)
--- Special effects: Out of focus backgrounds? Easy peasy. Long exposures? Timelapse? You bet.
--- System expandability: DSLRs are sometimes called 'system cameras'. This is due to the fact that unlike P&Ss, a DSLR is not just a camera; it's at the heart of an entire system. Each brand has dozens of lenses available, plus many more from third-party lens manufacturers. You could get flashes, transmitters, remotes, and many other goodies and they will all work seamlessly and communicate properly to one another. BTW, this is why you should choose your first SLR very carefully: you're probably buying into a system. First you get a camera and lens, then another lens, then maybe another lens or a flash, and then the a new camera comes out so you buy that. It's quite the pain to switch to a different brand once you're bought in to the system.
--- Viewfinder: By definition, a DSLR is a single lens reflex camera; what that means is that inside the camera just behind the lens mount there's a mirror, which projects the image from the lens into a prism, which in turn shows up in the viewfinder. The big advantage of this is that when you look through the viewfinder you're actually looking through lens, and as such are seeing exactly what the lens sees. This gives you an extremely accurate and life-like view, which makes it easy to compose your shots properly. A viewfinder also lets you use the camera in bright light without worrying about not being able to see the screen.
--- Speed: A DSLR is ready to shoot almost instantly after being turned on. No matter where you are, be it a menu or playing back you pictures, a slight tap of the shutter button and the camera is instantly ready to shoot. Focus is nearly instantaneous, and shutter lag is pretty much a non-issue. Another speed aspect is continuous shooting - holding down the shutter button while the camera rattles off picture after picture. An entry-level camera  could easily do around 4.5fps (frames per second), while higher level cameras could do 7 or 8 (or 12, if you count the $6800 Canon 1D X).


DSLR cons:
--- Size and weight: There's no getting around it: DSLRs are big and bulky, especially if you're carrying more than one lens.
--- Price: DSLRs start at about $450, and go way up. One of the most common cameras, the Canon T4i, will set you back about a grand. And then you want to buy another lens. And another one. And another one... :D
--- Video: DSLR video is a really weird situation. On the one hand the quality is INSANE. Just look on Vimeo and see what people have been doing with the Canon 5DMk2 and Mk3 and you'll see what I mean. On the other hand, if you look at the behind the scenes video of one of those, you'll see that the camera is mounted on a rig costing $10K or more. The rig stabilizes the camera and provides support for the focus controls, the zoom controls, the sound system, and many other things. Why is all this necessary? Very simple - because the camera does a horrible job at all this if left to it's own devices. Focusing during video is horrible, especially if anything's moving through the scene. What this means is that if you're buying an SLR and are planning on taking videos of your kids running around in the park, you will be sorely disappointed - nothing will be in focus half the time, and when the camera finally does achieve focus, the built-in mike will have picked up every grind and whirr of the lens as it moved back and forth. Canon has made some progress on eliminating these issues with their new STM lenses, but for now that's only two cameras and two lenses, and even that isn't perfect.


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Mirrorless: Known by many different names (ILCs and EVILs for example), the industry has seemed to settle on Mirrorless lately. This was the brainchild of a joint venture between Olympus and Panasonic, and was aimed on creating an interchangeable-lens camera in with a P&S body and DSLR-like image quality, and has been wildly successful. Olympus and Panasonic are still the major players with their Micro 4/3s system, followed by Sony with their NEX line. Many others have tried to take over market share from the big 3, but have been largely unsuccessful mainly due to inferior products. Nikon 1, Canon, M, and Samsung NX are examples of fairly unpopular systems.


Most mirrorless cameras have a P&S form-factor, albeit somewhat larger. With the exception of Olympus and Panasonic, the lenses are not interchangeable between brands, but adapters are available to convert practically any DSLR (or old rangefinder camera) lens to just about every system. Most adapters will not autofocus the lens, so it's not exactly a perfect solution.


Mirrorless pros:
--- Size and weight: This is the main draw for most people. While not exactly pocket sized once a lens is in place, it it still a fairly compact kit and could be carried in a purse with ease. It's more like a large P&S than a small DSLR.
--- Price: Generally cheaper than a DSLR of a similar level. The Panasonics and Olympus (Olympusus? Olympi? ??? ) especially seem to be on sale more often than not.
--- Image quality: About as good as an SLR, simple as that.
--- Expandability: Like DSLRs, these cameras are part of a system. In the last couple of months more and more third parties have started to make lenses too. Micro 4/3s is a much more robust system then Sony NEX though, with many more lenses available.
--- Video: Video on mirrorless cameras is insanely fantastic. Similar in quality to an SLR, but with the ease of use of a P&S. It focuses quickly, perfectly, and fairly quietly.


Mirrorless cons:
--- Lenses: Far smaller selection than SLRs, although to be fair most important lenses are covered.
--- Image quality: A DSLR will still have slightly better image quality, especially in low light scenarios.
--- Viewfinders: Most don’t have viewfinders at all, which make it harder to use in low light. Some of those have axillary finders you could out in the hotshoe (usually at exorbitant prices or some reason), but these are just to give you a general idea of what the camera is seeing.
--- Batteries: Uses batteries like a P&S (200-400 shots), while a DSLR usually gets around 2000 shots per battery.
--- Speed: Focusing, while worlds better than P&Ss, isn't quite up to DSLR standards yet, but that's getting better every day.
--- Control: While mirrorless camera offer the same level of control as DSLRs, very often you'll have to dig through menus to get to where you want to. The main point of mirrorless being cutting down on size, buttons and knobs were eliminated without mercy.


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Lesson Summary:
--- Point & Shoots are great for most everyday shooting. Cheap, more options than you could ever want, great image quality and video. Quite difficult (but definitely possible - I'll show you how) to get the 'pro' look.
--- DSLR are king when it comes to image quality, control, and expandability. For the best pictures in any situation, go for a DSLR. Video, not so much.
--- Mirrorless cameras are the best of both worlds, with some caveats. Amazing image quality, the best video, and fairly small and portable. Less control and versatility than an SLR, though.

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For the full lesson series visit the Learn Photography Master Thread.

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Links to additional Info:

Learn Photography Master Thread: Lesson 2: Camera specs - What do they mean, and which ones matter to me?

Canon's DSLR naming scheme
Nikon's DSLR naming scheme
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Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
« Reply #600 on: April 29, 2014, 11:01:46 PM »
I use an NEX as a second body, don't find it overkill at all.
And do you end up really using it? Especially considering that your professional camera is presumably light years ahead of the Nex? (Makes my concern about preferring the rebel seem almost funny).

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Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
« Reply #601 on: April 29, 2014, 11:21:51 PM »
And do you end up really using it? Especially considering that your professional camera is presumably light years ahead of the Nex? (Makes my concern about preferring the rebel seem almost funny).

Sure I use it. With proper technique you could get identical pictures to a Rebel out of it.
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Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
« Reply #602 on: April 30, 2014, 12:06:39 AM »
I hope a decided well by buying the DDMS deal.

I have no clue about cameras but i am sick of my canon elph.

(I use it mainly to take pictures of my kids)

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Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
« Reply #603 on: April 30, 2014, 12:14:27 AM »
I hope a decided well by buying the DDMS deal.

I have no clue about cameras but i am sick of my canon elph.

(I use it mainly to take pictures of my kids)

I can't imagine you won't be thrilled with the change. Especially for taking pics of your kids.
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Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
« Reply #604 on: April 30, 2014, 12:16:34 AM »
I can't imagine you won't be thrilled with the change. Especially for taking pics of your kids.
+100, you will love it.
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Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
« Reply #605 on: April 30, 2014, 12:32:32 AM »
Need a 2nd camera body as a supplement to my rebel t3i. The NEX 6 sounds attractive due to it's size but is it overkill for a 2nd body, especially considering that I won't be getting any accessories or additional lens for it?
I had a similar question.
I ordered the NEX-6 earlier today, now I need to decide if I want to keep it.
I was planning on getting something smaller as a backup / smaller option for when I don't want to schlep around my big camera, and perhaps more importantly, for video.

The thing is, I wasn't planning on spending this much money, I was thinking probably something more in the $300 range.
1) Now that I've become accustomed to my SLR, is $300 even realistic? Can I get something in that price range where I won't feel the urge to throw it at a wall every time I use it? As a wise man once said
As a step up from a P&S it's fine, but coming from a DSLR you'd be tearing your hear out. No controls (all menu driven), hardly any lenses, no EVF, etc. etc.
(I'm talking about a scenario where I waited around for an equivalent deal to this on a cheaper camera)

If I can get something cheaper that I'd be happy with, what would the advantages of the NEX-6 over the cheaper option? would $500 for this be a better value overall than something cheaper at $300?

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Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
« Reply #606 on: April 30, 2014, 05:11:29 AM »
I just ordered a used Nikon D700 from BandH-not sure if I should switch it in for the D610...thoughts? Should I be worried buying new because I will only have 90 day warranty?

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Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
« Reply #607 on: April 30, 2014, 07:59:22 AM »
I just ordered a used Nikon D700 from BandH...
D700, now you got me jealous!

[Not really jealous technically, I'm very happy for you that you have that beauty, just wouldn't mind if I did too;)]

-SLR vs mirrorless is not a discussion I have much to say about - don't know squat about mirrorless, but as DSLRs go, the d700 is a very nice piece of hardware!
(Not saying it's the best out there, but it's mighty nice!)

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Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
« Reply #608 on: April 30, 2014, 08:10:45 AM »
I had a similar question.
I ordered the NEX-6 earlier today, now I need to decide if I want to keep it.
I was planning on getting something smaller as a backup / smaller option for when I don't want to schlep around my big camera, and perhaps more importantly, for video.

The thing is, I wasn't planning on spending this much money, I was thinking probably something more in the $300 range.
1) Now that I've become accustomed to my SLR, is $300 even realistic? Can I get something in that price range where I won't feel the urge to throw it at a wall every time I use it? As a wise man once said (I'm talking about a scenario where I waited around for an equivalent deal to this on a cheaper camera)

If I can get something cheaper that I'd be happy with, what would the advantages of the NEX-6 over the cheaper option? would $500 for this be a better value overall than something cheaper at $300?
I don't know current pricing but I got the Panasonic gx1 for $300 and am very happy with it
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Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
« Reply #609 on: April 30, 2014, 12:44:24 PM »
I just ordered a used Nikon D700 from BandH-not sure if I should switch it in for the D610...thoughts? Should I be worried buying new because I will only have 90 day warranty?
If you plan on doing video you may want to exchange it. If only does 1080p video at 24fps
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Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
« Reply #610 on: April 30, 2014, 12:46:51 PM »
I want it for portraits...Just don't know if it's risky going with used. My other option would be the D610

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Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
« Reply #611 on: April 30, 2014, 12:54:36 PM »
I want it for portraits...Just don't know if it's risky going with used. My other option would be the D610
I've never been a nikon man but everyone I know that uses a D610 loves it. Honestly though, the future is here and it's not DSLR, mirrorless is new and better in almost every way (including edge to edge sharpness).
If micro 4/3 is too small for you then I strongly recommend going with sony or fuji.
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Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
« Reply #612 on: April 30, 2014, 01:26:08 PM »
Unless you have a specific need for the ruggedness of the D700, go with the D610. You'll get 6 more years of camera and technological advances in it. Better in low light, sharper, better video, etc. etc.
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Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
« Reply #613 on: April 30, 2014, 01:29:34 PM »
mirrorless is new and better in almost every way

Name one thing that doesn't pertain to size/weight or video.

(including edge to edge sharpness).

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Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
« Reply #614 on: April 30, 2014, 01:36:07 PM »
Name one thing that doesn't pertain to size/weight or video.

WTH :o
Edge to edge sharpness (for still images) is better on the GH3 with the 12-35 then on a 5D mkiii with a 24-70. Price difference 5.5k vs 1800
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Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
« Reply #615 on: April 30, 2014, 01:46:36 PM »
Edge to edge sharpness (for still images) is better on the GH3 with the 12-35 then on a 5D mkiii with a 24-70. Price difference 5.5k vs 1800

1 - Source?
2 - Comparing one specific lens/body combination to another does not back up the blanket statement that "mirrorless is better in ... edge to edge sharpness"
3 - Plenty of mirrorless cameras have edge sharpness issues. If you're in the mood of a long read look up the Sony A7r microlens issue.

Don't get me wrong - I'm a strong proponent of mirrorless systems and agree that they have many advantages over DSLRs. But to claim that they are "better in almost every way" is simply misleading.

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Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
« Reply #616 on: April 30, 2014, 02:42:52 PM »
The rep I spoke with at B and H told me the D700 is hands down a better camera- I guess it depends who you ask. I just don't want to have to buy a new camera soon just because I bought used...

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Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
« Reply #617 on: April 30, 2014, 03:08:07 PM »
Don't get me wrong - I'm a strong proponent of mirrorless systems and agree that they have many advantages over DSLRs. But to claim that they are "better in almost every way" is simply misleading.
Would you agree the way the technology tends to be developing, it certainly seems to be heading there?

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Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
« Reply #618 on: April 30, 2014, 07:31:02 PM »
The rep I spoke with at B and H told me the D700 is hands down a better camera- I guess it depends who you ask. I just don't want to have to buy a new camera soon just because I bought used...

The D700 is a better camera on paper, since it's a more pro camera than the D610. That doesn't mean that you'll get better pictures - in fact the D610 will have better image quality any day of the week. The D700 has better build, a more robust shutter mechanism, etc. Nothing that would matter in the way you'd use it (at least what I could see from your posts).

Like I said - the simple fact that the D610 is six years newer will make all the difference in the world.
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Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
« Reply #619 on: April 30, 2014, 07:31:38 PM »
Would you agree the way the technology tends to be developing, it certainly seems to be heading there?

Oh yeah, definitely. But we're not there yet...
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