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Watta You Do When Someone Blocks Your Driveway?
« on: May 10, 2013, 04:47:30 PM »
Anyone living in Brooklyn knows how annoying it is when someone leaves their car right in front of your driveway for an extended period of time.
Some people leave notes on the windshield requesting that the car not be left there again. I find that not to be effective so today when someone blocked my neighbor's driveway for like the hundredth time I colored all over the windows with window markers:)... hope they learned their lesson:P
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Re: Watta You Do When Someone Blocks Your Driveway?
« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2013, 04:48:33 PM »
Anyone living in Brooklyn knows how annoying it is when someone leaves their car right in front of your driveway for an extended period of time.
Some people leave notes on the windshield requesting that the car not be left there again. I find that not to be effective so today when someone blocked my driveway I colored all over the windows with window markers:))... hope they learned their lesson:P

Lol. I have a relative that lives in NY that keeps a carton of eggs in the backseat for just that purpose.
But the markers is pretty funny. Did you write anything?
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Re: Watta You Do When Someone Blocks Your Driveway?
« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2013, 04:58:53 PM »
Lol. I have a relative that lives in NY that keeps a carton of eggs in the backseat for just that purpose.
But the markers is pretty funny. Did you write anything?
They were all nervous that the person would go crazy, so I wrote "do not block my neighbors driveway as it causes them to borrow mine and leaves me with no place to park". In addition I made all kind of designs^-^

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Re: Watta You Do When Someone Blocks Your Driveway?
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2013, 05:03:14 PM »
Anyone living in Brooklyn knows how annoying it is when someone leaves their car right in front of your driveway for an extended period of time.
Some people leave notes on the windshield requesting that the car not be left there again. I find that not to be effective so today when someone blocked my neighbor's driveway for like the hundredth time I colored all over the windows with window markers:)... hope they learned their lesson:P

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Re: Watta You Do When Someone Blocks Your Driveway?
« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2013, 05:05:58 PM »
Anyone living in Brooklyn knows how annoying it is when someone leaves their car right in front of your driveway for an extended period of time.
Some people leave notes on the windshield requesting that the car not be left there again. I find that not to be effective so today when someone blocked my neighbor's driveway for like the hundredth time I colored all over the windows with window markers:)... hope they learned their lesson:P
on my block we "do do not park" stickers

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Re: Watta You Do When Someone Blocks Your Driveway?
« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2013, 05:36:33 PM »
Halachicly you may be able to smash his car in order to go out.

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Re: Watta You Do When Someone Blocks Your Driveway?
« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2013, 05:39:21 PM »
Immediately knew you must be taking about Brooklyn when I saw the thread topic. Really hilarious, can't imagine anywhere else in the world this would happen
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Re: Watta You Do When Someone Blocks Your Driveway?
« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2013, 05:40:41 PM »
A can of motor oil on the windsheild works also.
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Re: Watta You Do When Someone Blocks Your Driveway?
« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2013, 05:45:34 PM »
Halachicly you may be able to smash his car in order to go out.
How do you do that without destroying your own car as well?

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Re: Watta You Do When Someone Blocks Your Driveway?
« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2013, 05:46:10 PM »
Immediately knew you must be taking about Brooklyn when I saw the thread topic. Really hilarious, can't imagine anywhere else in the world this would happen
The driveway blocking or the makers?

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Re: Watta You Do When Someone Blocks Your Driveway?
« Reply #10 on: May 10, 2013, 05:52:33 PM »
Anyone living in Brooklyn knows how annoying it is when someone leaves their car right in front of your driveway for an extended period of time.
Some people leave notes on the windshield requesting that the car not be left there again. I find that not to be effective so today when someone blocked my neighbor's driveway for like the hundredth time I colored all over the windows with window markers:)... hope they learned their lesson:P
Not sure what heter you had to do that (We pasken אדם עושה דין לעצמו but that only allows you to move the car, not to penalize the owner), you are probably mechuyav to pay whatever it cost to clean and must ask mechila
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Re: Watta You Do When Someone Blocks Your Driveway?
« Reply #11 on: May 10, 2013, 05:54:42 PM »
For those of you that know Lakewood, Satmar is around the corner from my parents house. (the local minyan factory)
People are always blocking our driveway usually partially, so my father started putting stickers on the middle of the windshield so it blocks the view of the driver and usually sliced it into several pieces so it can't be easily removed, and wrote "according to halacha your davining was just pointless as your stealing" or something along those lines and he would put down where it says that.

One time someone totally blocked it as if it didn't even exist, that time I called the police and they ticketed him. (when I called the police I did mention that I am on the local fire dept and he was blocking my car, the cops showed up very quickly)
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Re: Watta You Do When Someone Blocks Your Driveway?
« Reply #12 on: May 10, 2013, 06:01:30 PM »
My father would use a bar of soap to write the "do not block" message. non-damaging but annoying to remove...



@Dan, How do the Beachwood folks deal with this? :)

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Re: Watta You Do When Someone Blocks Your Driveway?
« Reply #13 on: May 10, 2013, 06:02:33 PM »
For those of you that know Lakewood, Satmar is around the corner from my parents house. (the local minyan factory)
People are always blocking our driveway usually partially, so my father started putting stickers on the middle of the windshield so it blocks the view of the driver and usually sliced it into several pieces so it can't be easily removed, and wrote "according to halacha your davining was just pointless as your stealing" or something along those lines and he would put down where it says that.

One time someone totally blocked it as if it didn't even exist, that time I called the police and they ticketed him. (when I called the police I did mention that I am on the local fire dept and he was blocking my car, the cops showed up very quickly)

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Re: Watta You Do When Someone Blocks Your Driveway?
« Reply #14 on: May 10, 2013, 06:04:17 PM »
I have issues with the guys driving like crazy rushing to shul in the mornings and nearly causing accidents.
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Re: Watta You Do When Someone Blocks Your Driveway?
« Reply #15 on: May 10, 2013, 06:04:49 PM »
Not sure what heter you had to do that (We pasken אדם עושה דין לעצמו but that only allows you to move the car, not to penalize the owner), you are probably mechuyav to pay whatever it cost to clean and must ask mechila
He Probably meant: הממלא חצר חבירו כדי יין וכדי שמן: בעל החצר משבר ויוצא, משבר ונכנס (Bava Kamma 28a). I'm pretty sure that isn't Lahalachah though.

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Re: Watta You Do When Someone Blocks Your Driveway?
« Reply #16 on: May 10, 2013, 06:25:03 PM »
Source?

Medrash Raba Parshas Noach and other places.
It says gnevah stops tefilos from being heard.
*this is what my father told me
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Re: Watta You Do When Someone Blocks Your Driveway?
« Reply #17 on: May 10, 2013, 06:31:05 PM »
He Probably meant: הממלא חצר חבירו כדי יין וכדי שמן: בעל החצר משבר ויוצא, משבר ונכנס (Bava Kamma 28a).
אדם עושה דין לעצמו but that only allows you to move the car, not to penalize the owner
I'm pretty sure that isn't Lahalachah though.

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Halachicly you may be able to smash his car in order to go out.
You would need that to be less טרחה than calling the owner/police/tow company.


Medrash Raba Parshas Noach and other places.
It says gnevah stops tefilos from being heard.
*this is what my father told me
There is a chiyuv and 'point' to daven even if RCH"L the davening will not be heard

Blocking a driveway (or squatting in a house) for many reasons will not come close to the halachic criteria of גנב (although there are obviously other דיני ממונות)
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Re: Watta You Do When Someone Blocks Your Driveway?
« Reply #18 on: May 10, 2013, 07:16:02 PM »


Blocking a driveway (or squatting in a house) for many reasons will not come close to the halachic criteria of גנב (although there are obviously other דיני ממונות)

stealing time?
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Re: Watta You Do When Someone Blocks Your Driveway?
« Reply #19 on: May 10, 2013, 07:25:56 PM »
Calling the police might be a shaileh of mesirah.

The best option is to have a tube or a bottle of shampoo in your trunk.
You can use it to make smiles on the windows, or even write happy purim, why do you block my driveway? Or whatever.
No shailos involved and works wonderful.
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