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Re: MLB
« Reply #2535 on: November 02, 2017, 04:26:36 PM »
stupid, arbitrary one
What is this? I hope it is not your argument for W/L doesn't matter.

I need time to answer your question. The first eight teams (playoff) I looked at he is not the ace.
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Re: MLB
« Reply #2536 on: November 02, 2017, 04:30:07 PM »
What is this? I hope it is not your argument for W/L doesn't matter.

I need time to answer your question. The first eight teams (playoff) I looked at he is not the ace.

It's not my argument, it is one of thousands of examples. *You* made a stronger argument when you brought it up in the first place.
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Re: MLB
« Reply #2537 on: November 02, 2017, 04:41:55 PM »
It's not my argument, it is one of thousands of examples. *You* made a stronger argument when you brought it up in the first place.
Yes you can throw a 1 hitter and lose. Yes you can give up 10 runs and win. SO WHAT!!! Show me someone who consistently throws 1 hitters and I will show you a 30 game winner. Show me someone who consistently gives up 10 runs and I will show you someone who is no longer around. W/L is just one tool, not the only one.
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Re: MLB
« Reply #2538 on: November 02, 2017, 04:51:45 PM »
Yes you can throw a 1 hitter and lose. Yes you can give up 10 runs and win. SO WHAT!!! Show me someone who consistently throws 1 hitters and I will show you a 30 game winner. Show me someone who consistently gives up 10 runs and I will show you someone who is no longer around. W/L is just one tool, not the only one.
What information about a pitcher's performance does it tell you that you can't get from other stats?

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Re: MLB
« Reply #2539 on: November 02, 2017, 04:58:25 PM »
What information about a pitcher's performance does it tell you that you can't get from other stats?
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Re: MLB
« Reply #2540 on: November 02, 2017, 05:14:28 PM »
Yes you can throw a 1 hitter and lose. Yes you can give up 10 runs and win. SO WHAT!!! Show me someone who consistently throws 1 hitters and I will show you a 30 game winner. Show me someone who consistently gives up 10 runs and I will show you someone who is no longer around. W/L is just one tool, not the only one.
I love how you articulate how stupid it is and follow it with a "so what?" Exactly-what-you-said-what!

Let's do an experiment. Just randomly looking at this year's pitching leaders, I've picked out a few pitching lines:

ERA   G   CG   IP     H     R    ER   HR   BB   SO
4.16   32   1   179.2  181  84    83   27   58   134
3.86   31   0   186.2  159  83    80   27   58   209
2.98   31   0   193.1  150  73    64   21   51   230

Rank the above seasons and match them to their win records:

14-6
10-12
18-11

Now these two look like the same pitcher, right?

ERA   G   IP     H     R    ER   HR   BB   SO
3.92   31   186.0  201  93    81   20   37   130
3.90   33   191.1  204  90    83   20   55   124

One is 17-9 the other 10-13

Sure, it's a tool, but more like the human kind than a hammer.
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Re: MLB
« Reply #2541 on: November 02, 2017, 05:18:24 PM »
Show me someone who consistently throws 1 hitters and I will show you a 30 game winner.
1st base.

What is this?
2nd base.

Truthfully I don't care, I was just trying to put my money where my mouth was.
Shortstop   

If DDF can't get behind a Derek Jeter intangibles joke, I don't know where we are as a community.
3rd base.

The reason it was unbelievable because he should have been out by a mile.  :P
Center field   

A) Pitcher wins are not only an ineffective way to judge a pitcher, they might be the worst way. And your comment explains why
Left Field

So which of these applies to the two starters today?
Catcher

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Pitcher.

*You* made a stronger argument when you brought it up in the first place.
Pitcher. Especially one left in the game 7 too long who may or may not be on ace on some teams and possibly shouldn't have started game 7.
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Re: MLB
« Reply #2542 on: November 02, 2017, 05:20:27 PM »
I love how you articulate how stupid it is and follow it with a "so what?" Exactly-what-you-said-what!
The point was you can't take any one item and look at it in a vacuum.
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Re: MLB
« Reply #2543 on: November 02, 2017, 05:22:29 PM »
1st base.
2nd base.
Shortstop   
3rd base.
Center field   
Left Field
Catcher
Pitcher.
Pitcher. Especially one left in the game 7 too long who may or may not be on ace on some teams and possibly shouldn't have started game 7.
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Re: MLB
« Reply #2544 on: November 02, 2017, 05:22:51 PM »
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Re: MLB
« Reply #2545 on: November 02, 2017, 05:23:24 PM »
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Re: MLB
« Reply #2546 on: November 02, 2017, 05:24:32 PM »
Let's do an experiment. Just randomly looking at this year's pitching leaders,  :)
You picked ones that fit your argument.  :)
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Re: MLB
« Reply #2547 on: November 02, 2017, 05:26:43 PM »

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Re: MLB
« Reply #2548 on: November 02, 2017, 05:28:28 PM »
The point was you can't take any one item and look at it in a vacuum.

Answer this:
What information about a pitcher's performance does it tell you that you can't get from other stats?

You picked ones that fit your argument.  :)

Duh. I'm saying I didn't do a deep dive to find the best examples, I just looked at the first page and picked examples based on a quick glance. IOW, it is supremely easy to show how ridiculously stupid W/L is.
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Re: MLB
« Reply #2549 on: November 02, 2017, 05:29:10 PM »
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