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Re: MLB
« Reply #2550 on: November 02, 2017, 05:32:12 PM »
Nope. Already mentioned him
Naturally.
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Re: MLB
« Reply #2551 on: November 02, 2017, 05:33:37 PM »
1st base.
2nd base.
Shortstop   
3rd base.
Center field   
Left Field
Catcher
Pitcher.
Pitcher. Especially one left in the game 7 too long who may or may not be on ace on some teams and possibly shouldn't have started game 7.

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Re: MLB
« Reply #2552 on: November 02, 2017, 05:34:27 PM »
Duh. I'm saying I didn't do a deep dive to find the best examples, I just looked at the first page and picked examples based on a quick glance. IOW, it is supremely easy to show how ridiculously stupid W/L is.
Lets make this so a fifth grader can understand.  :)
In your example you had two pitchers that looked the same. Their records are 17-9 and 10-13. You get to pick one of them only based on the stats you provided. Who are you going to pick?
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Re: MLB
« Reply #2553 on: November 02, 2017, 06:01:12 PM »
Lets make this so a fifth grader can understand.  :)
If you need to resort to insult rather than answer the questions, maybe I'm not the 5th grader in the argument?

I understand your point. You are saying it is not the best tool to use, but it still is *a* useful tool. You still haven't answered *how* it is useful.

In your example you had two pitchers that looked the same. Their records are 17-9 and 10-13. You get to pick one of them only based on the stats you provided. Who are you going to pick?

The stats I provided were rudimentary. If I was choosing a pitcher, it would be based on other stats. But I can guarantee you wins and losses wouldn't even be a tie breaker.

When you brought up the stat in the first place, you literally explained how the pitcher's record would change based on his team and nothing to do with his performance.

We're gonna keep going around in circles, so I'm gonna bow out.
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Re: MLB
« Reply #2554 on: November 02, 2017, 06:01:50 PM »
Lets make this so a fifth grader can understand.  :)
In your example you had two pitchers that looked the same. Their records are 17-9 and 10-13. You get to pick one of them only based on the stats you provided. Who are you going to pick?
The one with the lower salary or age.

ETA: LOL, just looked it up, and of the 2 Davies (the one with the better W/L) is younger and cheaper.

But seriously, beyond age/salary (which is more of a career outlook than a single season) you'd want to look at the underlying stats to see which is more likely to be able to maintain (or better yet improve) those numbers next year. And the answer to that is clearly Leake.
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Re: MLB
« Reply #2555 on: November 02, 2017, 06:19:33 PM »
If you need to resort to insult rather than answer the questions, maybe I'm not the 5th grader in the argument?
It was a joke. If you took it as an insult I apologize. I will ignore the shot you just took at me.
When you brought up the stat in the first place, you literally explained how the pitcher's record would change based on his team and nothing to do with his performance.
No that isn't what I said. Maybe this is a better way to say it. A pitcher will have a better record pitching on a better team with his same performance. The better team will most likely have better batting, fielding and bullpen. The opposite would also be true.

Look, you wouldn't even use W/L as a tiebreaker so we are in total disagreement.

As far as going in circles remember this is all about being the ace on most teams.

For choosing a pitcher the overwhelming factor is not ANY stat. You watch him pitch!!!
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Re: MLB
« Reply #2556 on: November 02, 2017, 06:21:25 PM »
The one with the lower salary or age.

ETA: LOL, just looked it up, and of the 2 Davies (the one with the better W/L) is younger and cheaper.

But seriously, beyond age/salary (which is more of a career outlook than a single season) you'd want to look at the underlying stats to see which is more likely to be able to maintain (or better yet improve) those numbers next year. And the answer to that is clearly Leake.
Have you ever taken a test? Do you change the question before answering?  :)
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Re: MLB
« Reply #2557 on: November 02, 2017, 06:27:32 PM »
CM, Who’s favorite for next year ? :)

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Re: MLB
« Reply #2558 on: November 02, 2017, 06:30:17 PM »
CM, Who’s favorite for next year ? :)
The master of search doesn't need me for that. If I had to guess probably the two chokes teams.
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Re: MLB
« Reply #2559 on: November 02, 2017, 07:58:08 PM »
Have you ever taken a test? Do you change the question before answering?  :)
My answer is not changing. No matter what, their W-L records aren't going to play any role in deciding between them. If you want me to pick which one I'd want on my team going forward, I'm going to look at their age and contract situation. Leake has 4yr/$66m left on his deal (with a full no trade clause), while Davies earned half a million this year and won't be a FA until 2022. That's a no brainer. But if you throw contracts and salaries out and just need to pick whoever will pitch better for you in a season, looking at their stats (real stats, not nonsense like W-L) I'm taking Leake.

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Re: MLB
« Reply #2560 on: November 02, 2017, 08:03:17 PM »
No big deal. If you don't want to answer the question as stated that's fine.
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Re: MLB
« Reply #2561 on: November 02, 2017, 08:17:40 PM »
No big deal. If you don't want to answer the question as stated that's fine.
I've already answered the question exactly as stated. To reiterate for you, I'd pick the 10-13 pitcher just based on H+BB and SO (all listed there) alone.

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Re: MLB
« Reply #2562 on: November 02, 2017, 08:25:58 PM »
I've already answered the question exactly as stated. To reiterate for you, I'd pick the 10-13 pitcher just based on H+BB and SO (all listed there) alone.
Sorry I missed that. I will look again at your response.  ;)
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Re: MLB
« Reply #2563 on: November 02, 2017, 08:29:13 PM »
Sorry I missed that. I will look again at your response.  ;)
Here you go.
... you'd want to look at the underlying stats to see which is more likely to be able to maintain (or better yet improve) those numbers next year. And the answer to that is clearly Leake.

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Re: MLB
« Reply #2564 on: November 02, 2017, 08:42:35 PM »
I didn’t know how you figured out from one years stats who would be better going forward. I never heard of BB/SO ratio being a predictor.
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