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Re: MLB Master Thread
« Reply #3480 on: January 28, 2020, 06:45:04 PM »
What inning does he get pulled in todays game?
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Re: MLB Master Thread
« Reply #3481 on: January 29, 2020, 11:47:45 AM »
What inning does he get pulled in todays game?

Max 120 pitches - say after 6-7 max. Unless he's throwing a no-no, in which case, they'll let him go until he gives up a hit.

In today's day and age, if you throw a perfect game with an average of 5 pitches/hitter, that's still 135 pitches, which is crazy by today's standards

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Re: MLB Master Thread
« Reply #3482 on: January 29, 2020, 12:02:59 PM »
Max 120 pitches - say after 6-7 max. Unless he's throwing a no-no, in which case, they'll let him go until he gives up a hit.

In today's day and age, if you throw a perfect game with an average of 5 pitches/hitter, that's still 135 pitches, which is crazy by today's standards
Can you imagine how many great pitching performances we are missing. By todays standards we would have missed one of the greatest pitching performance of all time.
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Re: MLB Master Thread
« Reply #3483 on: January 29, 2020, 12:18:17 PM »
Can you imagine how many great pitching performances we are missing. By todays standards we would have missed one of the greatest pitching performance of all time.

On the one hand I agree with you, but on the other hand, I would say that the game has changed enough that it's unfair to measure.

On a very simplistic level - ERA is not as meaningful as it was when pitchers completed 50,60,70% of their starts. Heck, they barely get through 7 innings.
And strike out rates are bloated when many batters are in HR or Strikeout mode

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Re: MLB Master Thread
« Reply #3484 on: January 29, 2020, 12:41:32 PM »
Can you imagine how many great pitching performances we are missing. By todays standards we would have missed one of the greatest pitching performance of all time.

And how many arms were blown out so we never got to see incredible pitching over years and years?

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Re: MLB Master Thread
« Reply #3485 on: January 29, 2020, 12:45:30 PM »
And how many arms were blown out so we never got to see incredible pitching over years and years?
Don't know, do you? Is there a study that shows more pitches thrown in a single game leads to more are injuries?
Is throwing 120 pitches in one game better or worse than throwing 30 pitches in four straight games?
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Re: MLB Master Thread
« Reply #3486 on: January 29, 2020, 01:16:48 PM »
the other question is how many games were lost in the last 3 innings because a pitcher was left in to long

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Re: MLB Master Thread
« Reply #3487 on: January 29, 2020, 01:19:15 PM »
the other question is how many games were lost in the last 3 innings because a pitcher was left in to long
...but the flip side is how games would have been won if the pitcher was not taken out to early?
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Re: MLB Master Thread
« Reply #3488 on: January 29, 2020, 01:47:10 PM »
the other question is how many games were lost in the last 3 innings because a pitcher was left in to long

Case in point - Game 5 in the 2015 world series :)

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Re: MLB Master Thread
« Reply #3489 on: January 29, 2020, 01:48:53 PM »
Can you imagine how many great pitching performances we are missing. By todays standards we would have missed one of the greatest pitching performance of all time.

Kerry Wood is actually a great example of how bad things can turn out, career wise.

I agree with you, I hate when they pull pitchers early during great performances, but it also seems pitcher injuries are more common than ever so what should they do? If I had to guess, it's because pitchers are throwing harder than ever.
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Re: MLB Master Thread
« Reply #3490 on: January 29, 2020, 01:49:26 PM »
The bottom line - the way that the game is managed has changed significantly since Wood's 20 strikeouts.

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Re: MLB Master Thread
« Reply #3491 on: January 29, 2020, 01:55:57 PM »
Kerry Wood is actually a great example of how bad things can turn out, career wise.
Are you saying his arm injury was because he threw that many pitches in that game?
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Re: MLB Master Thread
« Reply #3492 on: January 29, 2020, 01:56:37 PM »
The bottom line - the way that the game is managed has changed significantly since Wood's 20 strikeouts.
We agree on that one but probably for different reasons.
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Re: MLB Master Thread
« Reply #3493 on: January 29, 2020, 02:04:19 PM »
Are you saying his arm injury was because he threw that many pitches in that game?

I don't think you can pinpoint one game that caused his numerous injuries. He dominated that game and other games because he maxed out.
He maxed out enough times and eventually was injured for the rest of his career.
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Re: MLB Master Thread
« Reply #3494 on: January 29, 2020, 04:08:19 PM »
...but the flip side is how games would have been won if the pitcher was not taken out to early?

there might be some games that could have been won by leaving in a hot pitcher but the numbers don't lie and they show that pitchers get hit more often the 3rd time through the lineup and the numbers also show that you will win more regular season games by bringing in relief pitchers earlier.

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Re: MLB Master Thread
« Reply #3495 on: January 29, 2020, 04:12:57 PM »
...and the numbers also show that you will win more regular season games by bringing in relief pitchers earlier.
No way to know what would have happened.
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Re: MLB Master Thread
« Reply #3496 on: January 29, 2020, 04:28:57 PM »
No way to know what would have happened.

Less so if the batters figured out your signs :)

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Re: MLB Master Thread
« Reply #3497 on: January 29, 2020, 04:40:15 PM »
Dusty Baker hired to clean up the Astros mess...

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Re: MLB Master Thread
« Reply #3499 on: February 07, 2020, 02:25:15 PM »
only the Mets can figure out how to scare off 2 different billionaire buyers in less than a decade