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Edward Snowden...

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Re: Edward Snowden Hero or Villain?
« Reply #100 on: June 16, 2013, 02:28:08 PM »
"Top U.S. intelligence officials said Saturday that information gleaned from two controversial data-collection programs run by the National Security Agency thwarted potential terrorist plots in the U.S. and more than 20 other countries — and that gathered data is destroyed every five years.

Last year, fewer than 300 phone numbers were checked against the database of millions of U.S. phone records gathered daily by the NSA in one of the programs, the intelligence officials said in arguing that the programs are far less sweeping than their detractors allege."


Oh is that what the kid with his hand in the cookie jar claims. He must be telling the truth. "I promise dad this was my first time ever." Uh huh sure, believe what you want CV.
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Re: Edward Snowden Hero or Villain?
« Reply #101 on: June 16, 2013, 03:01:47 PM »
Uh huh sure, believe what you want CV.
Some just can't handle the truth.  :P
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Re: Edward Snowden Hero or Villain?
« Reply #102 on: June 16, 2013, 03:23:11 PM »
Some just can't handle the truth.  :P
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Re: Edward Snowden Hero or Villain?
« Reply #103 on: June 16, 2013, 04:31:20 PM »
Some just can't handle the truth.  :P
That can go either way...

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Re: Edward Snowden Hero or Villain?
« Reply #104 on: June 16, 2013, 04:32:02 PM »
Obama '13 vs. Biden '06


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Re: Edward Snowden Hero or Villain?
« Reply #106 on: June 16, 2013, 06:40:14 PM »
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Re: Edward Snowden Hero or Villain?
« Reply #107 on: June 16, 2013, 07:09:22 PM »
Yup... As predicted:
You are missing the point. This has been going on before any of us were born. They just have better tools at their disposal now. We will agree on one thing “ignorance is bliss”.  ;)
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Re: Edward Snowden Hero or Villain?
« Reply #108 on: June 16, 2013, 08:27:06 PM »
WOWOWOW!
http://m.guardiannews.com/uk/2013/jun/16/gchq-intercepted-communications-g20-summits

Always knew these stuff happen, but it's nice to see it in the open.

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Re: Edward Snowden Hero or Villain?
« Reply #109 on: June 17, 2013, 10:37:01 PM »
But then, by your examples one can argue that democracies tend to correct themselves when they go too far.

Democracies correct themselves when the people will it to happen. It is always in the government's/ruling class's interest to try to use their position to keep the power to themselves. If that means throwing people who disagreed with them in jail on trumped up charges, as happened in the McCarthy era, then that's what happens. It is the people in the democracy who must stand up and defend their rights. What brought an end to McCarthyism was not the FBI saying "oh, whoops we went to far". It was Americans, and specifically prominent radio hosts and Hollywood personalities, speaking out against the practice. Which is why what Snowden did is important. Americans can only protest things if they know it exists.
But the government has nothing to worry about. We are living in an age where people care more about who got kicked off American Idol, then the systematic destruction of democracy as we know it.  Which is very sad.

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Re: Edward Snowden Hero or Villain?
« Reply #110 on: June 18, 2013, 09:48:44 AM »
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/06/18/obama-calls-nsa-secret-data-gathering-transparent-in-pbs-interview/

Between this and Obama's campaign promises of having 'the most transparent administration', something tells me our dear president needs help with the definition of the word 'transparent'.

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Re: Edward Snowden Hero or Villain?
« Reply #111 on: June 18, 2013, 10:19:34 AM »
...something tells me our dear president needs help with the definition of the word 'transparent'.
You don't have a copy of the special dictionary for politicians? It even tells you what the definition of "is" is.
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Re: Edward Snowden Hero or Villain?
« Reply #113 on: June 24, 2013, 12:58:22 PM »
http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article/1268209/exclusive-snowden-sought-booz-allen-job-gather-evidence-nsa

Well, there you have it folks. We now know he was a villain.

A sick, sick man.

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Re: Edward Snowden Hero or Villain?
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Re: Edward Snowden Hero or Villain?
« Reply #115 on: June 24, 2013, 01:06:19 PM »
Only a Paulbot....  ;)

More like a good old-fashioned spy. His sob story of how "he couldn't take it anymore watching the privacy of the people being violated" was carefully plotted to gain support for his treason.

Off with his damned head.

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Re: Edward Snowden Hero or Villain?
« Reply #116 on: June 24, 2013, 01:06:55 PM »
More like a good old-fashioned spy. His sob story of how "he couldn't take it anymore watching the privacy of the people being violated" was carefully plotted to gain support for his treason.

Off with his damned head.

Many Paulbots would do it...

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Re: Edward Snowden Hero or Villain?
« Reply #117 on: June 24, 2013, 01:33:10 PM »
Anyone that the Obama Adiministration doesnt like is a hero in my books...... :P

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Re: Edward Snowden Hero or Villain?
« Reply #119 on: June 24, 2013, 10:37:20 PM »
http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article/1268209/exclusive-snowden-sought-booz-allen-job-gather-evidence-nsa

Well, there you have it folks. We now know he was a villain.

A sick, sick man.

Please explain this statement. How does the fact that he actively sought to out the government make him a villain?