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Edward Snowden...

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Re: Edward Snowden Hero or Villain?
« Reply #60 on: June 13, 2013, 03:36:52 AM »
You talking about the Weimar Republic?
Your point?
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Re: Edward Snowden Hero or Villain?
« Reply #61 on: June 13, 2013, 07:53:29 AM »
I always knew that the NSA listens to all communications.
Way anyone really shocked?

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Re: Edward Snowden Hero or Villain?
« Reply #62 on: June 13, 2013, 09:49:23 AM »
Your point?
I have no point. I am trying to understand this off the wall post.
So was Germany in 1933 when Hitler was elected.
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Re: Edward Snowden Hero or Villain?
« Reply #63 on: June 13, 2013, 10:04:42 AM »
I have no point. I am trying to understand this off the wall post.
I think he was trying to point out the danger of a democratic society that willingly gives up its rights.

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Re: Edward Snowden Hero or Villain?
« Reply #64 on: June 13, 2013, 10:10:19 AM »
I have no point. I am trying to understand this off the wall post.
I am sure you've heard this argument before so I didn't think I had to elaborate. Germany was a democracy before they allowed the government to take full control.

People make the parallel to the US today. And that if we allow the government to go against our constitution, well that was the first step Hitler did to turn Germany facist.

So, sure we want to be safe, but at what cost?
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Re: Edward Snowden Hero or Villain?
« Reply #65 on: June 13, 2013, 10:28:21 AM »
Of course I heard that argument. If someone wants to compare a so called democracy that was in its infancy to the democracy we have now there is not much to say.
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Re: Edward Snowden Hero or Villain?
« Reply #66 on: June 13, 2013, 10:38:47 AM »
Some people need to put on their tinfoil hats.


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Re: Edward Snowden Hero or Villain?
« Reply #68 on: June 13, 2013, 11:34:30 AM »
Of course I heard that argument. If someone wants to compare a so called democracy that was in its infancy to the democracy we have now there is not much to say.
Finally we agree that there is not much to say. Well that is when talking to someone who doesn't even try to learn from history.
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Re: Edward Snowden Hero or Villain?
« Reply #69 on: June 13, 2013, 11:41:40 AM »
Finally we agree that there is not much to say. Well that is when talking to someone who doesn't even try to learn from history.

He's continuing to leak.
In his interview with a Chinese newspaper yesterday he discussed US cyber-spying on Chinese institutions.
http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article/1259508/edward-snowden-us-government-has-been-hacking-hong-kong-and-china

If this isn't treason, what is??

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Re: Edward Snowden Hero or Villain?
« Reply #70 on: June 13, 2013, 11:50:21 AM »
He's continuing to leak.
In his interview with a Chinese newspaper yesterday he discussed US cyber-spying on Chinese institutions.
http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article/1259508/edward-snowden-us-government-has-been-hacking-hong-kong-and-china

If this isn't treason, what is??
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Re: Edward Snowden Hero or Villain?
« Reply #71 on: June 13, 2013, 11:53:56 AM »
Did you quote me by accident?

Not exactly. More like continuing the conversation.

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Re: Edward Snowden Hero or Villain?
« Reply #72 on: June 13, 2013, 11:56:25 AM »
Not exactly. More like continuing the conversation.
OK, but there are 2 very separate issues here.

1. Was Snowden wrong and what should be done with him.

2. Was the NSA wrong, what should be done with them.
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Re: Edward Snowden Hero or Villain?
« Reply #73 on: June 13, 2013, 02:43:22 PM »
Well that is when talking to someone who doesn't even try to learn from history.
...and the other person does not understand history.  ;)
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Re: Edward Snowden Hero or Villain?
« Reply #74 on: June 13, 2013, 03:07:42 PM »
...and the other person does not understand history.  ;)
It's always harder to argue with someone who was there. ;)
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Re: Edward Snowden Hero or Villain?
« Reply #75 on: June 13, 2013, 03:10:59 PM »
It's always harder to argue with someone who was there. ;)
...and the other person was not even born.  :P
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Re: Edward Snowden Hero or Villain?
« Reply #76 on: June 13, 2013, 03:35:57 PM »
...and the other person was not even born.  :P
Well this has been fun. I won't complain if they hang him, but that doesn't mean I agree with the Governments approach. Honestly I don't think I know enough or ever will know enough to make an informed decision.
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Re: Edward Snowden Hero or Villain?
« Reply #77 on: June 13, 2013, 03:44:43 PM »
I think that Americans (myself included) need to come to terms with the fact that in this day and age, with the thread of Islamic terrorism at every turn, the government will not be able to protect us AND keep our privacy.

The reality is that we need to choose one way or the other.

Islamics are not fighting a traditional war with uniforms. They have mastered the art of "blending in" with mainstream society, and there is absolutely no way to differentiate between terrorist and civilian. You have "political correctness" to thank for this.

That said, for the NSA to find them, they need to find you too. Your next door neighbor may be a terrorist, and the ONLY way for the NSA to find out and to protect YOU from HIM is to search his records.

Now, it's uncomfortable, and if you believe that our government can suddenly become like Nazi Germany, it's dangerous. But then again, would you rather the NSA back off and let YOU find the terrorists instead?

You can bet your bottom dollar that every country with half a brain is doing the same thing, except that there has not yet been a whistleblower.

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Re: Edward Snowden Hero or Villain?
« Reply #78 on: June 13, 2013, 03:47:24 PM »
I think that Americans (myself included) need to come to terms with the fact that in this day and age, with the threat of Islamic terrorism at every turn, the government will not be able to protect us AND keep our privacy.

The reality is that we need to choose one way or the other.

Islamics are not fighting a traditional war with uniforms. They have mastered the art of "blending in" with mainstream society, and there is absolutely no way to differentiate between terrorist and civilian. You have "political correctness" to thank for this.

That said, for the NSA to find them, they need to find you too. Your next door neighbor may be a terrorist, and the ONLY way for the NSA to find out and to protect YOU from HIM is to search his records.

Now, it's uncomfortable, and if you believe that our government can suddenly become like Nazi Germany, it's dangerous. But then again, would you rather the NSA back off and let YOU find the terrorists instead?

You can bet your bottom dollar that every country with half a brain is doing the same thing, except that there has not yet been a whistleblower.

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Re: Edward Snowden Hero or Villain?
« Reply #79 on: June 13, 2013, 03:50:39 PM »
What I would propose is legislation that the government cannot use this information against you in a court of law, as it has been obtained without warrant. (I.e. it can be used to catch terrorists, but, if along the way they find a person dealing drugs, they will not be able to use their email or phone records in court).