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Venice Overview
Venice is a gorgeous and romantic city that doesn't disappoint. It's a fantastic place to spend Shabbos because there are several points hotel options, a Chabad with several meal options, the ability to carry and because the biggest attraction of Venice - just simply walking the streets and bridges - is a perfect Shabbos activity which will keep you from just be sitting bored in a hotel room.

Trip Reports:
Dan, Avid Reader, MnM1130, ChAiM'l, aj26, Yosers1, jj1000, Hudi, Cbs, Eli, steve L, jmansour, VacationLover, Yehoshua, Mech, yg99, yls2011, ABC, AharonInIsrael, @Yehuda, shlonx  dvol, @Mootkim

Getting there and getting around:

How long should I go for?
There really aren't too many activities to do in Venice, so a 1-2 day trip could cover the must see/do sights, but the city is so beautiful that you won't regret a longer stay! Because the sights are mostly just walking around the streets, checking out the shops, etc. many people find spending just a Shabbos/weekend in Venice is enough to get their fill. Arrive on a Friday and leave Sunday evening and you'll get your fill. (Again, a longer stay rocks too!)

Travelling around Italy/Getting to Venice
Most often, if you're making a trip from USA to Venice, you're not just going to see Venice, but rather a few cities in Italy. When visiting Italy there are a few ways to travel around - trains, rent a car, or if you're going directly from one end of Italy (let's say Rome) to the other end (let's say Milan or Venice), it could be you'll want to fly.

Air:
If Venice is your first stop in Italy, then you'll likely be coming via air. VCE is the airport code, and the airport is not actually in Venice proper (no, the planes don't land in the canals). Rather, you'll have to take a water bus or water taxi from the airport to Venice proper. The water buses to/from the airport are run by a company called Alilaguna (buses here aren't run by the city), take around an hour to get to San Marco Square (the main points hotel location) and cost 14euro. You can buy a roundtrip in advance for 25euro. Private water taxis take around 1/2 hour, but are a lot more expensive. Because people arrive at VCE from many different locations, it's not practical to discuss the different routes you can take to get here.

Train:
If your Italy trip starts in a different city in Italy, then you may want to look into travelling via rail. There are 2 main train companies in Italy - TrenItalia and Treno Italo. Rates vary on a bunch of factors and neither site is fantastically designed, so check them out and ask for some help here if you need. Alternatively you can use loco2.com which is an easy to use site all in English it has all the options and they donít charge anybooking fees. The express train Rome-Venice takes about 3:45 hours and the overnight takes 5.5-6.5 hours. As opposed to the airport, St. Lucia Train Station is actually in Venice proper. Once you arrive, you can take a Vaporetto to your desired location (again, likely San Marco Square). See "Getting around Venice" below for Vaporetto prices. You can also take a private water taxi, which won't have any stops, but will cost a lot more.

Car Rental:
If your Italy trip starts in a different city in Italy, then besides for taking trains, you may find that a car rental suits your needs better, especially if you plan on hitting up several cities along the way as taking a train usually means having to get a cab or bus to/from each train station from your hotel. That time/cost plus the cost of the trains may cause you to decide on a car rental instead. Since it's Europe, expect a manual car unless you pay more for an automatic. Driving in Italy may bother you if you're not super comfortable driving, but in terms of driving in Venice, don't be concerned. You'll be coming from a highway (which is just like highway driving back home), you'll get off onto normal sized/paved roads and within a few minutes, will likely be at your car rental dropoff - outside of Venice proper. There are no cars in Venice (although there is a Hertz in Venice proper that you could actually drive to and drop your car off, but rates at that location are super expensive), so you will likely drop your car off near the Venice-Mestre Train Station - not the St. Lucia station that's actually in Venice - but a second train station that's just outside Venice proper. From Mestre station, a 10 minute, 2 euro train ride will get you into St. Lucia station and from there you can follow the options listed above to get to your hotel.

Getting around Venice
If you're staying in the Jewish Ghetto or near San Marco Square (we'll get to where to stay soon), you'll be within walking distance (max 1/2 hour) of all the main sites in Venice. Even still, many people like to take a public water bus, known as a Vaporetto, to travel down the canals. You can buy tickets at many Vaparetto stops. An individual one way ride costs 7 euro, but there are also 24/48/72 hour passes that cost 20/30/40 euro, respectively. If you're between the ages of 14-29, you can buy a 72 hour Youth Pass for just 20 euro. It's possible that you may need to first purchase a "Rolling Venice" guidebook (should be available at the ticket counter) for 4 euro before they'll let you buy the Youth pass, but you can find that out at the ticket counter and even 24 euro is a great deal. There's also a special roundtrip beach ticket to Lido that costs 10 euro. Do some math to see what kind of pass will work best for you.


Where to stay:

There are 2 main areas where people normally stay: 1) The Jewish Ghetto, which is where the Shuls/restaurants are, as well as some Kosher hotels, but no points hotels and 2) San Marco Square, about a 1/2 hour walk from the Ghetto, but where most of the points hotels are. The walk is very nice, and helps you accomplish the "activity" of seeing the streets while on the way to your destination. The 30 minute walk may hinder your desire to make it to Shul for all Tefillos. YMMV ;)

Here are some places that are discussed in this thread:

NameAreaMore InfoComments
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Pardes RimonimJewish GhettoWebsiteKosher hotel
Carnival Place<10 minute walk to the GhettoWebsiteNicest hotel near the Ghetto
Locanda Del GhettoJewish GhettoWebsiteKosher hotel
Westin Europa and ReginaSan Marco SquareWebsiteSPG Cat. 6; 20-25K/night. Beautiful hotel with marble lobby and a luxurious feel.
Comfort Hotel DianaSan Marco SquareWebsite10K Choice/night. Definitely dated, but kinda rustic in that regard. Cheapest points hotel option in the points hotel-lacking city of Venice.
Grand Hotel Dei Dogi, Autograph Collection<10 minute walk to the GhettoWebsite45K Marriott/night.
JW Marriott Venice Resort & SpaNOT able to walk to the Ghetto, But Free ShuttleWebsite40K Marriott/night.
"Get your own place"AnywhereAirBNB, VRBO, HomeAwayRenting an apartment can be a great option in Venice especially if your family is large enough that you would otherwise have to get a few hotel rooms. You can find apartments near the Ghetto, and with meals at Chabad, this can definitely be a cheaper option than a hotel.

There are 2 other SPG properties, Hotel Danieli and The Gritti Palace, but there are some downsides to them. Both are SPG Cat. 7 which means you'll be paying a premium to stay there. Danieli is in the Square, but in Dan's TR you'll see that he pointed out there's no manual door, which poses an issue on Shabbos. Dan also writes that Gritti is 10 minutes away from the Square. The Gritti has  undergone extensive renovations and is now fresh and on par with Aman. Many consider it worth it the distance from Chabad. There are very few base rooms, so upgrades are easy to come by.


What to do:

As said a few times so far, the highlight of a trip to Venice is walking the streets/canals and checking out the boundless shops that line the streets. But, there are of course some actual activities that one can do, although it's hard to say that any are "must-do"s.

Attractions & Activities
NameMore InfoComments
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Doge's PalaceWebsiteYou can get a classic tour of the palace, or you can opt for the Secret Itineraries tour, which will take you down to the dungeons where the prison was and up to the top floors to see offices, a torture chamber, and a court room while listening to the story of Casanova's supposed escape. The Secret Itineraries tour does not cover the main rooms in the palace, but you are free to walk around afterwards on your own.
Jewish Museum/ Ghetto TourWebsiteThe Jewish Museum offers tours of the museum and Ghetto. While the tours of the Ghetto in Rome are highly recommended by DDFers (and many would say a trip to Rome without a tour is nuts), there is not too much talk on DDF about the tours of the Venice Ghetto. Take that as you will. The tour is closer to an hour and costs 10 euro. Without the tour, you can't get in to see the nice Shuls that are not open that season.
Gondola RideN/AYou'll see gondolas everywhere you look. There are a few places where can get one that will take you on a 5 minute ride just going across the width of the canal for a couple of euro (called a "Traghetto"). There are options to get a private, 45-60 minute ride that usually costs around 90 euro. And finally, there's an in between option where you'll be in your own gondola among a group of others that are in their own gondolas. Some companies offer music and a serenade. Do some Googling to see different prices. A gondola ride will give you an additional "real feel" of Venice, but passing on it to save some money isn't a crazy idea. Walking the canals yourself is quite amazing.
San Marco SquareN/AWhether your hotel is in this area or not, this is a nice stop on your walks. A huge, open square with restaurants and shops overlooked by the large church and clock tower. During the day, you'll see people feeding pigeons, and at night, you'll see plenty of street vendors trying to get you to buy a rose for DW or a light up flying saucer. You can go up the bell tower for 8 euro for a beautiful view and you can get the very interesting audio guide for an additional 4 euro.
Lido BeachN/AIf you're in Venice for a few days, perhaps you'll enjoy a quick Vaporetto ride to Lido, where a 10 minute walk will get you onto a free public beach. Warning: Remember that this is a European beach.
Padua                ??                 Synagogue and cemetery dating to the 1500's.

Luxury Launch's Venice Guide nice list of different things to do in Venice


Shuls/Shabbos:

NameMore InfoComments
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Jewish Community of VeniceWebsiteIn the Ghetto, there are 2 community Shuls - one used during the summer and the other during the winter - that are both right next to each other. There are daily Minyanim.
ChabadWebsite


Google Doc to sign up for meals
In the Ghetto, Chabad has their own Shul/Beis Medrash that acts as the Yeshiva for the Chabad students as well as a Shul during daily Minyanim. They also own a storefront that acts as the Chabad house. Chabad owns the fleishig restaurant, Gam Gam, as well as the pizza shop, Gam Gam Goodies, that are described below. On Shabbos, Chabad hosts several meal options. First of all, you could order takeout in advance and pick it up or have it delivered to your hotel. But where's the fun in that? For meals at Chabad, the options have changed as of June 1, 2015:

1) A Meal is offered after Davening both on Friday night and Shabbos day Kiddush - no reservations necessary. This is similar to the previous "free meals" that Chabad used to offer. The meal takes place in the Shul after davening. The meal provides the opportunity to sit at a big meal with Jews from all over the world with all different types of backgrounds, which many found to be an awesome experience. Please note that the "free meals" may be a little more limited in terms of options and quantities of food.

*Pre-reserved meals*
In the old system, there was only 1 way to reserve your own table, but now there are 2 ways. Meals can not be divided between the two locations and are served at any time you want after Davening. Reservations for both options can be made by emailing info@jewishvenice.org and including the calendar date of the Shabbos you will be there and the names/emails of each attendee, as well as choosing one of the below options:

2) Shabbos in the Gallery - This option existed under the old system. Three meals at a private table in a storefront near Gam Gam that normally functions as an art gallery. 90 euro per person

3) Luxury1 Shabbos at Gam Gam Restaurant - Three meals at your private table, with more of a luxury atmosphere & meal, including more food choices, than the Gallery. Minimum donation is 126 euro per person.
Ghimmel GardensWebsite


Food:

NameMore InfoComments
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Gam GamWebsiteA nice fleishig restaurant, owned by the Chabad Rabbi. Some food is better than others, the service is pretty classic, and the prices are a bit above reasonable. But hey, it's Kosher food in Venice! You can eat outside literally at the edge of the canal, which is pretty sweet unless it's cold at night. Reservations are recommended as it can get crowded.
Gam Gam GoodiesN/ALocated just a few steps from Gam Gam, this is a small storefront that serves as a pizza shop (no seating unfortunately, but you can find benches further along in the Ghetto and are welcome to sit in the Chabad house storefront to eat). You might also find other foods like falafel, chocolates, packaged deli and fresh baked goods, which can be great for breakfast (and deli and rolls can be great for a cheaper dinner or to take food with you to your next destination that might not have Kosher food). Pizza is priced fairly and is tasty.
Volpe BakeryWebsiteRight across the alley from Gam Gam Goodies is a bakery serving fresh breads and pastries. According to the link, it's under supervision from the Chief Rabbi of Venice (not the Chabad Rabbi), however, DDFers question the Kashrus here. As of July 2014, the Chazzan at the Italian Shul said he goes into the bakery to light the fire every morning and therefore you can eat there. The place is open on Shabbos, but it must be owned by a non-Jew (or else how could it get a hashgacha?) So, there are some concerns and you may want to check into the Kashrus before you go, but the locals sure make it seem like it's fine.
FrulalaWebsiteFresh fruit smoothies that the locals will tell you are Kosher as long as you get the water-based versions. There are 2 locations - a storefront and a kiosk - that are both on the main walk from San Marco Square to the Ghetto. The drinks are tasty and refreshing, while being reasonably priced. They also offer free shotglass-sized samples, which are a great way to get a quick thirst quencher while walking!
Ghimel GardenTheir FB pageFrom Hershelsdeals Gimmal Garden is a real restaurant, Gam Gam goodies doesn't even have chairs, and is officially a bakery, not a restaurant. so you can't even compare. GamGam goodies opens at 7AM and sells breakfast, Gimmal Garden only opens at 10AM and closes 10PM
Gimmal Garden also offers Shabbos meals, Friday night is meat and Shabbos day is dairy.The food at Gimmal is excellent, they have Pizza, Fish dishes, Pasta, salads, Falafel  ETC....

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Re: Venice Master Thread
« Reply #2560 on: January 24, 2017, 08:35:27 AM »
I haven't experienced all 3 since they changed, but in the old system the difference wasn't really the food it was the setting. On their site they have their description of all 3.
Food is the same.
More expensive options gets you your own reserved table, waiter service, nicer ambiance, bottle of wine, dibs on the meat (when I was there, we ate in the shul and we only got a little meat), fresh challa, etc.

Only difference between Gam Gam and the Gallery is ambiance as far as I could tell.

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Re: Venice Master Thread
« Reply #2561 on: January 24, 2017, 09:00:19 AM »
So going with kids, def makes sense to do the cheapest option

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Re: Venice Master Thread
« Reply #2562 on: January 24, 2017, 09:10:00 AM »
I had asked a few pages previously if anyone knew if it would be possible to eat earlier at Gam Gam on Shabbos than post-candlighting/kabbalat shabbat.

The rabbi responded to say it will be possible, and can arrange nearer the time. FYI for anyone that may be going in the summer (I'm there in June when Shabbos comes in at its latest) and may not want to wait until 9/10pm to sit down at a table.

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Re: Venice Master Thread
« Reply #2563 on: January 26, 2017, 12:20:44 PM »
Hey,

I'm just starting to plan a trip to Venice, Rome, and Paris in May. The original plan was just Venice/Rome and decided to throw Paris in for the second shabbas. We are planning to get to Venice on Friday morning and stay till Monday evening, then off to Rome, then to Paris on Thursday night, and finally back to NYC on Sunday. I have a few questions about Venice (and I'm sure I will have many more soon). 

-Is there any benefit to taking the train from Venice to Rome over flying? I found relatively cheap flights ($50pp).
-How long do you suggest at Murano? From what I can see if we opt to do Burano, we really will only need enough time to take photos and a quick walk around, thoughts? 
-I have allergies to fish and milk (I know great for Italy the home of pizza and pasta...) has anyone dealt with allergies at the restaurants there?
-For anyone that has been in May, how packed was the shul/meals for shabbas?
-Shabbas should end around 9ish, are stores still open after that?

I have more questions, but I'll leave it at this for now. Thanks!

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Re: Venice Master Thread
« Reply #2564 on: January 26, 2017, 12:22:22 PM »
Not enough time in Paris IMHO.
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Re: Venice Master Thread
« Reply #2565 on: January 26, 2017, 12:29:47 PM »
Not enough time in Paris IMHO.

I agree. The original trip was meant to be just Venice and Rome and come back before shabbas but we extended it to include at least a little bit of Paris. I am thinking about leaving Venice on Sun night/Mon morning to get to Rome sooner, then leave Rome on Weds night so we have an extra day in Paris.

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Re: Venice Master Thread
« Reply #2566 on: January 26, 2017, 12:31:31 PM »
Makes sense.
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Re: Venice Master Thread
« Reply #2567 on: January 26, 2017, 12:34:27 PM »
Hey,

I'm just starting to plan a trip to Venice, Rome, and Paris in May. The original plan was just Venice/Rome and decided to throw Paris in for the second shabbas. We are planning to get to Venice on Friday morning and stay till Monday evening, then off to Rome, then to Paris on Thursday night, and finally back to NYC on Sunday. I have a few questions about Venice (and I'm sure I will have many more soon). 

-Is there any benefit to taking the train from Venice to Rome over flying? I found relatively cheap flights ($50pp).
-How long do you suggest at Murano? From what I can see if we opt to do Burano, we really will only need enough time to take photos and a quick walk around, thoughts? 
-I have allergies to fish and milk (I know great for Italy the home of pizza and pasta...) has anyone dealt with allergies at the restaurants there?
-For anyone that has been in May, how packed was the shul/meals for shabbas?
-Shabbas should end around 9ish, are stores still open after that?

I have more questions, but I'll leave it at this for now. Thanks!

Not enough time in Paris IMHO.
Agreed Steal 1 day from Venice for Paris.
I agree. The original trip was meant to be just Venice and Rome and come back before shabbas but we extended it to include at least a little bit of Paris. I am thinking about leaving Venice on Sun night/Mon morning to get to Rome sooner, then leave Rome on Weds night so we have an extra day in Paris.
Exactly.
Makes sense.
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Re: Venice Master Thread
« Reply #2568 on: January 26, 2017, 12:35:15 PM »
in the time i wrote my reply a lot happened
so instead of deleting I just add more quotes... lol
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Re: Venice Master Thread
« Reply #2569 on: January 26, 2017, 12:55:47 PM »
Even better if you can stay in Paris until Monday.
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Re: Venice Master Thread
« Reply #2570 on: January 26, 2017, 01:45:57 PM »
Hey,

I'm just starting to plan a trip to Venice, Rome, and Paris in May. The original plan was just Venice/Rome and decided to throw Paris in for the second shabbas. We are planning to get to Venice on Friday morning and stay till Monday evening, then off to Rome, then to Paris on Thursday night, and finally back to NYC on Sunday. I have a few questions about Venice (and I'm sure I will have many more soon). 

-Is there any benefit to taking the train from Venice to Rome over flying? I found relatively cheap flights ($50pp).
-How long do you suggest at Murano? From what I can see if we opt to do Burano, we really will only need enough time to take photos and a quick walk around, thoughts? 
-I have allergies to fish and milk (I know great for Italy the home of pizza and pasta...) has anyone dealt with allergies at the restaurants there?
-For anyone that has been in May, how packed was the shul/meals for shabbas?
-Shabbas should end around 9ish, are stores still open after that?

I have more questions, but I'll leave it at this for now. Thanks!

train would probably be more convenient, comfortable, and time saving as the train stations are in town

we did Murano/Burano in about 4-5 hours

Shabbos meals in the gallery were beautiful, although the shul was full, when we were there in July

the only food store that was open Motzei Shabbos was Ghimmel garden

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Re: Venice Master Thread
« Reply #2571 on: January 26, 2017, 02:02:12 PM »




-Is there any benefit to taking the train from Venice to Rome over flying? I found relatively cheap flights ($50pp).

Remember that the $50 doesn't include the long and occasionally inconvenient ride to the airport.

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Re: Venice Master Thread
« Reply #2572 on: January 26, 2017, 02:07:11 PM »
Not enough time in Paris IMHO.
Obviously to each his own and I understand Paris holds a special place in your heart but the first time I was there I spent 12 hrs there and felt I saw all that I wanted to. Not that I couldn't have stayed  longer.

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Re: Venice Master Thread
« Reply #2573 on: January 26, 2017, 02:11:57 PM »
Obviously to each his own and I understand Paris holds a special place in your heart but the first time I was there I spent 12 hrs there and felt I saw all that I wanted to. Not that I couldn't have stayed  longer.
And the 2nd time?
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Re: Venice Master Thread
« Reply #2574 on: January 26, 2017, 02:17:39 PM »
And the 2nd time?
I agree with you that it grows on you slowly.
We all have different travel preferences. Honestly I would kick out some of Rome before some of Venice. But thats because I'm in love with VCE.

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Re: Venice Master Thread
« Reply #2575 on: January 26, 2017, 02:33:01 PM »
train would probably be more convenient, comfortable, and time saving as the train stations are in town


Remember that the $50 doesn't include the long and occasionally inconvenient ride to the airport.


Thanks for the tip with the trains. I didnt factor in the long and pricey trip from the city to the airport, and of course add in time for security and it would probably be at least as long, if not longer than the train. I'll look into the train option instead.

Even better if you can stay in Paris until Monday.

I wish we could stay till Monday!


Honestly I would kick out some of Rome before some of Venice. But thats because I'm in love with VCE.



We are still working on the list of activities to see which city is best to steal a day from.

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Re: Venice Master Thread
« Reply #2576 on: January 26, 2017, 02:41:06 PM »


Thanks for the tip with the trains. I didnt factor in the long and pricey trip from the city to the airport, and of course add in time for security and it would probably be at least as long, if not longer than the train. I'll look into the train option instead.
Yup. Train is likely at least half hr faster.
Depending on your comfort level, to get the most for your money and time, you can take the slow night train from Venice to Rome and book a 2 bed cabin.


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Re: Venice Master Thread
« Reply #2577 on: January 26, 2017, 02:50:00 PM »
Yup. Train is likely at least half hr faster.
Depending on your comfort level, to get the most for your money and time, you can take the slow night train from Venice to Rome and book a 2 bed cabin.


Ya I'm looking into that right now, although the Trenitalia website is not the easiest to figure out! The Eurorail site in English is showing prices that are at least double the Trenitalia site.


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Re: Venice Master Thread
« Reply #2578 on: January 26, 2017, 03:04:29 PM »
Ya I'm looking into that right now, although the Trenitalia website is not the easiest to figure out! The Eurorail site in English is showing prices that are at least double the Trenitalia site.
Go to seat61.com.
You will find your best options and which site to book on there.

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Re: Venice Master Thread
« Reply #2579 on: January 27, 2017, 12:44:35 PM »
What's the best way to get from Rome to the pizza tower then to Venice? Train? Also from Venice we plan on going to Switzerland how would we do that?