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Venice Overview
Venice is a gorgeous and romantic city that doesn't disappoint. It's a fantastic place to spend Shabbos because there are several points hotel options, a Chabad with several meal options, the ability to carry and because the biggest attraction of Venice - just simply walking the streets and bridges - is a perfect Shabbos activity which will keep you from just be sitting bored in a hotel room.

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Getting there and getting around:

How long should I go for?
There really aren't too many activities to do in Venice, so a 1-2 day trip could cover the must see/do sights, but the city is so beautiful that you won't regret a longer stay! Because the sights are mostly just walking around the streets, checking out the shops, etc. many people find spending just a Shabbos/weekend in Venice is enough to get their fill. Arrive on a Friday and leave Sunday evening and you'll get your fill. (Again, a longer stay rocks too!)

Travelling around Italy/Getting to Venice
Most often, if you're making a trip from USA to Venice, you're not just going to see Venice, but rather a few cities in Italy. When visiting Italy there are a few ways to travel around - trains, rent a car, or if you're going directly from one end of Italy (let's say Rome) to the other end (let's say Milan or Venice), it could be you'll want to fly.

Air:
If Venice is your first stop in Italy, then you'll likely be coming via air. VCE is the airport code, and the airport is not actually in Venice proper (no, the planes don't land in the canals). Rather, you'll have to take a water bus or water taxi from the airport to Venice proper. The water buses to/from the airport are run by a company called Alilaguna (buses here aren't run by the city), take around an hour to get to San Marco Square (the main points hotel location) and cost 14euro. You can buy a roundtrip in advance for 25euro. Private water taxis take around 1/2 hour, but are a lot more expensive. Because people arrive at VCE from many different locations, it's not practical to discuss the different routes you can take to get here.

Train:
If your Italy trip starts in a different city in Italy, then you may want to look into travelling via rail. There are 2 main train companies in Italy - TrenItalia and Treno Italo. Rates vary on a bunch of factors and neither site is fantastically designed, so check them out and ask for some help here if you need. Alternatively you can use loco2.com which is an easy to use site all in English it has all the options and they don’t charge anybooking fees. The express train Rome-Venice takes about 3:45 hours and the overnight takes 5.5-6.5 hours. As opposed to the airport, St. Lucia Train Station is actually in Venice proper. Once you arrive, you can take a Vaporetto to your desired location (again, likely San Marco Square). See "Getting around Venice" below for Vaporetto prices. You can also take a private water taxi, which won't have any stops, but will cost a lot more.

Car Rental:
If your Italy trip starts in a different city in Italy, then besides for taking trains, you may find that a car rental suits your needs better, especially if you plan on hitting up several cities along the way as taking a train usually means having to get a cab or bus to/from each train station from your hotel. That time/cost plus the cost of the trains may cause you to decide on a car rental instead. Since it's Europe, expect a manual car unless you pay more for an automatic. Driving in Italy may bother you if you're not super comfortable driving, but in terms of driving in Venice, don't be concerned. You'll be coming from a highway (which is just like highway driving back home), you'll get off onto normal sized/paved roads and within a few minutes, will likely be at your car rental dropoff - outside of Venice proper. There are no cars in Venice (although there is a Hertz in Venice proper that you could actually drive to and drop your car off, but rates at that location are super expensive), so you will likely drop your car off near the Venice-Mestre Train Station - not the St. Lucia station that's actually in Venice - but a second train station that's just outside Venice proper. From Mestre station, a 10 minute, 2 euro train ride will get you into St. Lucia station and from there you can follow the options listed above to get to your hotel.

Getting around Venice
If you're staying in the Jewish Ghetto or near San Marco Square (we'll get to where to stay soon), you'll be within walking distance (max 1/2 hour) of all the main sites in Venice. Even still, many people like to take a public water bus, known as a Vaporetto, to travel down the canals. You can buy tickets at many Vaparetto stops. An individual one way ride costs 7 euro, but there are also 24/48/72 hour passes that cost 20/30/40 euro, respectively. If you're between the ages of 14-29, you can buy a 72 hour Youth Pass for just 20 euro. It's possible that you may need to first purchase a "Rolling Venice" guidebook (should be available at the ticket counter) for 4 euro before they'll let you buy the Youth pass, but you can find that out at the ticket counter and even 24 euro is a great deal. There's also a special roundtrip beach ticket to Lido that costs 10 euro. Do some math to see what kind of pass will work best for you.


Where to stay:

There are 2 main areas where people normally stay: 1) The Jewish Ghetto, which is where the Shuls/restaurants are, as well as some Kosher hotels, but no points hotels and 2) San Marco Square, about a 1/2 hour walk from the Ghetto, but where most of the points hotels are. The walk is very nice, and helps you accomplish the "activity" of seeing the streets while on the way to your destination. The 30 minute walk may hinder your desire to make it to Shul for all Tefillos. YMMV ;)

Here are some places that are discussed in this thread:

NameAreaMore InfoComments
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Pardes RimonimJewish GhettoWebsiteKosher hotel
Carnival Place<10 minute walk to the GhettoWebsiteNicest hotel near the Ghetto
Locanda Del GhettoJewish GhettoWebsiteKosher hotel
Westin Europa and ReginaSan Marco SquareWebsiteSPG Cat. 6; 20-25K/night. Beautiful hotel with marble lobby and a luxurious feel.
Comfort Hotel DianaSan Marco SquareWebsite10K Choice/night. Definitely dated, but kinda rustic in that regard. Cheapest points hotel option in the points hotel-lacking city of Venice.
Grand Hotel Dei Dogi, Autograph Collection<10 minute walk to the GhettoWebsite45K Marriott/night.
JW Marriott Venice Resort & SpaNOT able to walk to the Ghetto, But Free ShuttleWebsite40K Marriott/night.
"Get your own place"AnywhereAirBNB, VRBO, HomeAwayRenting an apartment can be a great option in Venice especially if your family is large enough that you would otherwise have to get a few hotel rooms. You can find apartments near the Ghetto, and with meals at Chabad, this can definitely be a cheaper option than a hotel.

There are 2 other SPG properties, Hotel Danieli and The Gritti Palace, but there are some downsides to them. Both are SPG Cat. 7 which means you'll be paying a premium to stay there. Danieli is in the Square, but in Dan's TR you'll see that he pointed out there's no manual door, which poses an issue on Shabbos. Dan also writes that Gritti is 10 minutes away from the Square. The Gritti has  undergone extensive renovations and is now fresh and on par with Aman. Many consider it worth it the distance from Chabad. There are very few base rooms, so upgrades are easy to come by.


What to do:

As said a few times so far, the highlight of a trip to Venice is walking the streets/canals and checking out the boundless shops that line the streets. But, there are of course some actual activities that one can do, although it's hard to say that any are "must-do"s.

Attractions & Activities
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Doge's PalaceWebsiteYou can get a classic tour of the palace, or you can opt for the Secret Itineraries tour, which will take you down to the dungeons where the prison was and up to the top floors to see offices, a torture chamber, and a court room while listening to the story of Casanova's supposed escape. The Secret Itineraries tour does not cover the main rooms in the palace, but you are free to walk around afterwards on your own.
Jewish Museum/ Ghetto TourWebsiteThe Jewish Museum offers tours of the museum and Ghetto. While the tours of the Ghetto in Rome are highly recommended by DDFers (and many would say a trip to Rome without a tour is nuts), there is not too much talk on DDF about the tours of the Venice Ghetto. Take that as you will. The tour is closer to an hour and costs 10 euro. Without the tour, you can't get in to see the nice Shuls that are not open that season.
Gondola RideN/AYou'll see gondolas everywhere you look. There are a few places where can get one that will take you on a 5 minute ride just going across the width of the canal for a couple of euro (called a "Traghetto"). There are options to get a private, 45-60 minute ride that usually costs around 90 euro. And finally, there's an in between option where you'll be in your own gondola among a group of others that are in their own gondolas. Some companies offer music and a serenade. Do some Googling to see different prices. A gondola ride will give you an additional "real feel" of Venice, but passing on it to save some money isn't a crazy idea. Walking the canals yourself is quite amazing.
San Marco SquareN/AWhether your hotel is in this area or not, this is a nice stop on your walks. A huge, open square with restaurants and shops overlooked by the large church and clock tower. During the day, you'll see people feeding pigeons, and at night, you'll see plenty of street vendors trying to get you to buy a rose for DW or a light up flying saucer. You can go up the bell tower for 8 euro for a beautiful view and you can get the very interesting audio guide for an additional 4 euro.
Lido BeachN/AIf you're in Venice for a few days, perhaps you'll enjoy a quick Vaporetto ride to Lido, where a 10 minute walk will get you onto a free public beach. Warning: Remember that this is a European beach.
Padua                ??                 Synagogue and cemetery dating to the 1500's.

Luxury Launch's Venice Guide nice list of different things to do in Venice


Shuls/Shabbos:

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Jewish Community of VeniceWebsiteIn the Ghetto, there are 2 community Shuls - one used during the summer and the other during the winter - that are both right next to each other. There are daily Minyanim.
ChabadWebsite


Google Doc to sign up for meals
In the Ghetto, Chabad has their own Shul/Beis Medrash that acts as the Yeshiva for the Chabad students as well as a Shul during daily Minyanim. They also own a storefront that acts as the Chabad house. Chabad owns the fleishig restaurant, Gam Gam, as well as the pizza shop, Gam Gam Goodies, that are described below. On Shabbos, Chabad hosts several meal options. First of all, you could order takeout in advance and pick it up or have it delivered to your hotel. But where's the fun in that? For meals at Chabad, the options have changed as of June 1, 2015:

1) A Meal is offered after Davening both on Friday night and Shabbos day Kiddush - no reservations necessary. This is similar to the previous "free meals" that Chabad used to offer. The meal takes place in the Shul after davening. The meal provides the opportunity to sit at a big meal with Jews from all over the world with all different types of backgrounds, which many found to be an awesome experience. Please note that the "free meals" may be a little more limited in terms of options and quantities of food.

*Pre-reserved meals*
In the old system, there was only 1 way to reserve your own table, but now there are 2 ways. Meals can not be divided between the two locations and are served at any time you want after Davening. Reservations for both options can be made by emailing info@jewishvenice.org and including the calendar date of the Shabbos you will be there and the names/emails of each attendee, as well as choosing one of the below options:

2) Shabbos in the Gallery - This option existed under the old system. Three meals at a private table in a storefront near Gam Gam that normally functions as an art gallery. 90 euro per person

3) Luxury1 Shabbos at Gam Gam Restaurant - Three meals at your private table, with more of a luxury atmosphere & meal, including more food choices, than the Gallery. Minimum donation is 126 euro per person.
Ghimmel GardensWebsite


Food:

NameMore InfoComments
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Gam GamWebsiteA nice fleishig restaurant, owned by the Chabad Rabbi. Some food is better than others, the service is pretty classic, and the prices are a bit above reasonable. But hey, it's Kosher food in Venice! You can eat outside literally at the edge of the canal, which is pretty sweet unless it's cold at night. Reservations are recommended as it can get crowded.
Gam Gam GoodiesN/ALocated just a few steps from Gam Gam, this is a small storefront that serves as a pizza shop (no seating unfortunately, but you can find benches further along in the Ghetto and are welcome to sit in the Chabad house storefront to eat). You might also find other foods like falafel, chocolates, packaged deli and fresh baked goods, which can be great for breakfast (and deli and rolls can be great for a cheaper dinner or to take food with you to your next destination that might not have Kosher food). Pizza is priced fairly and is tasty.
Volpe BakeryWebsiteRight across the alley from Gam Gam Goodies is a bakery serving fresh breads and pastries. According to the link, it's under supervision from the Chief Rabbi of Venice (not the Chabad Rabbi), however, DDFers question the Kashrus here. As of July 2014, the Chazzan at the Italian Shul said he goes into the bakery to light the fire every morning and therefore you can eat there. The place is open on Shabbos, but it must be owned by a non-Jew (or else how could it get a hashgacha?) So, there are some concerns and you may want to check into the Kashrus before you go, but the locals sure make it seem like it's fine.
FrulalaWebsiteFresh fruit smoothies that the locals will tell you are Kosher as long as you get the water-based versions. There are 2 locations - a storefront and a kiosk - that are both on the main walk from San Marco Square to the Ghetto. The drinks are tasty and refreshing, while being reasonably priced. They also offer free shotglass-sized samples, which are a great way to get a quick thirst quencher while walking!
Ghimel GardenTheir FB pageFrom Hershelsdeals Gimmal Garden is a real restaurant, Gam Gam goodies doesn't even have chairs, and is officially a bakery, not a restaurant. so you can't even compare. GamGam goodies opens at 7AM and sells breakfast, Gimmal Garden only opens at 10AM and closes 10PM
Gimmal Garden also offers Shabbos meals, Friday night is meat and Shabbos day is dairy.The food at Gimmal is excellent, they have Pizza, Fish dishes, Pasta, salads, Falafel  ETC....

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Re: Venice Master Thread
« Reply #140 on: June 15, 2010, 10:30:06 PM »
Any Rome advice?
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Re: Venice Master Thread
« Reply #141 on: June 15, 2010, 10:57:02 PM »
I can only speak for how it was when I was there, but the food was plenty and there were lots of seats even with 100 guests in town.

I'm not sure what you mean by "opening up seats and tables in the avenue."  They always have seats and tables on the canal for the restaurant by the canal and it happens to be quite nice and romantic eating there.


 thats simply cause you were there during a non-peak time, June/July/Aug its a mad house as both moish and I have posted and they keep opening up more and more tables.

sort of like going to the Kotel go early Fri night its packed go in the winter or late on Fri night its empty

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Re: Venice Master Thread
« Reply #142 on: June 15, 2010, 11:02:54 PM »
If there are six shifts in the summer than I would agree with Moish. When we were there in May there were two shifts and it worked out fine. We sat inside on Friday night and outside by the water on shabbos morning.

We also downloaded Rick Steve's walking tours (thanks to Moish) for Venice and Florence and found it helpful.

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Re: Venice Master Thread
« Reply #143 on: June 15, 2010, 11:13:31 PM »
the company was great at gam gam though, we met a lot of great people

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Re: Venice Master Thread
« Reply #144 on: June 15, 2010, 11:13:51 PM »
Just one shift when we were there in late May...
We ate outside friday night on the canal and inside the restaurant at a table for two on shabbos day.
There was plenty of wine for everyone to make kiddush if they so desired, excellent homemade challah, 7 kinds of dips, salmon, soup, meatballs, chicken, cake, and of course booze.

Shabbos day had the same menu, but had different salmon, and a parve cholent (there's a good reason why you couldn't find any meat Steve2) instead of meatballs.

 I wasnt looking for meat perse , only mentioned that I didnt see any and what I took was all of 2 potatoes (small ones at that) since there was so little so that everyone could have some

 again a couple that I know were there early last June and didnt run into what I did

and as you have said he wont turn anyone away so if they cooked for 200 and 400 show up well there goes the food, and Understandingly so. Thats why I asked him why he didnt simply charge and that way those who were willing to pay would have gotten a reg Shabbos meal, and is why I wont go back to GG when in VCE next but to the other restaurant

If my choice is paying alot but being able to eat a reg Shabbos meal or walking away hungry,B"H I can afford to pay

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Re: Venice Master Thread
« Reply #145 on: June 16, 2010, 01:53:49 PM »
When we were there last May we stayed at the Westin and were upgraded to a beautiful brand new junior suite overlooking the canal on the top floor and I'm only Gold. It was a great experience. It's is very close to the Water bus station and theres no need for a private water taxi. (Biggest rip off in Venice besides the Gondialls)

We checked out the other two hotels. I was not very impressed with the Gritti Palace. It is an actual old palace but the location is not nearly as good as the Westin and didn't seem to be very happening.

The Danielli is a very impressive and beautiful hotel but don't think its worthy of being a catagory 7. However, I did not experience the service as a guest. The Westin is a better value but if $$ and points is unlimited go for the Danielli. 
so if i am using weekend awards which can give me either hotel for the same price, and assuming that danielli is not an option for shabbos as dan pointed out, do you think Westin is nicer than the Gritti place?! I still am having a hard time deciding....I like nice hotels, but dont like OLD looking places...

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Re: Venice Master Thread
« Reply #146 on: June 16, 2010, 03:34:14 PM »
so if i am using weekend awards which can give me either hotel for the same price, and assuming that danielli is not an option for shabbos as dan pointed out, do you think Westin is nicer than the Gritti place?! I still am having a hard time deciding....I like nice hotels, but dont like OLD looking places...

 In that case stay away from Florence,Rome and Venice

 where you will find the likes of a King David Hotel rather then The Davids Citadel which it seems you are looking for, which allpies to almost every Decent Hotel in those cities.

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Re: Venice Master Thread
« Reply #147 on: June 16, 2010, 10:37:17 PM »
I am booked for a monday arrival in rome and a friday flight to venice (courtesy of gifted miles) and would like to know if spending fri - wednesday in venice is too much. it will only be three full days, sun, mon, and tues bc of shabbos and the fact that i am flying back to the US on wednesday. Is enough to see?
also, I just booked the westin for cash and points for those five days. 4800 points + $90 a night.

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Re: Venice Master Thread
« Reply #148 on: June 16, 2010, 10:38:40 PM »
one more thing, what is the "other" restaurant called and how do i get in touch with them? also, do i need reservations at Chabad?

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Re: Venice Master Thread
« Reply #149 on: June 16, 2010, 11:09:39 PM »
3 days I think is too much time in Venice. We got their Friday afternoon and had had enough by early monday. Used the extra time to go to lake comp, one of the most beautiful places on earth. If you have time I would really reccomend making it their (to the resort town called bellagio, just to walk around for a little bit and jump in the lake)
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Re: Venice Master Thread
« Reply #150 on: June 17, 2010, 12:58:14 AM »
3 days I think is too much time in Venice. We got their Friday afternoon and had had enough by early monday. Used the extra time to go to lake comp, one of the most beautiful places on earth. If you have time I would really reccomend making it their (to the resort town called bellagio, just to walk around for a little bit and jump in the lake)

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Re: Venice Master Thread
« Reply #151 on: June 17, 2010, 02:15:02 AM »
you could definitely fill the time if you go to the islands of murano and burano as well (considering friday and wed arent full days)

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Re: Venice Master Thread
« Reply #152 on: June 17, 2010, 11:12:38 AM »
one more thing, what is the "other" restaurant called and how do i get in touch with them? also, do i need reservations at Chabad?

http://www.jewisheurope.org/detail.asp?ID=547

 no reses needed for Chabad but if you are Religious and its gonna be packed be prepared to hang somewhere for a couple of hours till the 2nd shift is done

 

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Re: Venice Master Thread
« Reply #153 on: June 17, 2010, 11:14:51 AM »
you could definitely fill the time if you go to the islands of murano and burano as well (considering friday and wed arent full days)

 not in Aug they can go but its all closed up

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Re: Venice Master Thread
« Reply #154 on: June 17, 2010, 11:16:48 AM »
3 days I think is too much time in Venice. We got their Friday afternoon and had had enough by early monday. Used the extra time to go to lake comp, one of the most beautiful places on earth. If you have time I would really reccomend making it their (to the resort town called bellagio, just to walk around for a little bit and jump in the lake)

 Id say it would depend on what a person enjoys doing, we were in VCE Fri afternoon to late Sun afternoon and I could have spent another FEW days doing the exact samething just walking around

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Re: Venice Master Thread
« Reply #155 on: June 17, 2010, 01:41:32 PM »
We were in VCE from friday through early monday morning and went to Murano and had plenty of time.
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Re: Venice Master Thread
« Reply #156 on: June 17, 2010, 02:44:17 PM »
not in Aug they can go but its all closed up
i was there in middle of the summer and there were at least 5 places doing glass demo's in murano and the glass museum was open. for burano its mostly the scenery, i.e. colored buildings

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Re: Venice Master Thread
« Reply #157 on: June 17, 2010, 03:34:16 PM »
i was there in middle of the summer and there were at least 5 places doing glass demo's in murano and the glass museum was open. for burano its mostly the scenery, i.e. colored buildings

 when is "the middle of the summer"? when we were there last Aug I was told that during Aug its all closed up so we didnt head over, were you there in Aug? if not then it makes sense why they were still open, unless those who told me its Closed simply gave me a bumb rap

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Re: Venice Master Thread
« Reply #158 on: June 17, 2010, 04:54:44 PM »
august 2008. now that you mention it, i remember hearing the same thing but the guys pushing the free taxi ride at st marks told me it was open

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Re: Venice Master Thread
« Reply #159 on: June 17, 2010, 06:37:24 PM »
august 2008. now that you mention it, i remember hearing the same thing but the guys pushing the free taxi ride at st marks told me it was open

Thanks I will mention that point to some friends heading over, that they should look for those guys @ SM Sq to make sure its open